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Tiger down off Straddie

Old 16th Dec 2013, 02:54
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Tiger down off Straddie

CM reports two missing after a charter Tiger went into the water off Stradde. Very sad news, let's hope there is good news to follow.
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Old 16th Dec 2013, 03:23
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Doesn't look good, debris on the water and divers sent out. More photos on the link below;
Tiger Moth crash off Stradbroke Island
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DH 82 crash into sea Qld

TWO people are feared dead after a Tiger Moth plane crashed into the sea off Queensland's South Stradbroke Island.

The crash has left a trail of debris and fuel in the water and at least four choppers are searching for any signs of survivors. The plane crashed into the water about 300 metres off the island, at about 12.30pm (AEST) on Monday.

The two-seater plane is owned by Gold Coast-based operator Tiger Moth Joy Rides, which offers scenic flights and aerobatic flights including barrel rolls, loop the loops and other manoeuvres. Spokesman Jeff Stillman told AAP the company was still trying to work what had happened.

"We're not real good mate, look we don't have the information as yet, we don't really now what's going on," he told AAP.

"We're all very worried about all the occupants of the plane." Water police are also heading to the scene to assist the air search.

Photos from the crash scene show parts of the plane's wreckage, painted a vivid red, floating in the water.

Police divers are on their way to the crash site.
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Old 16th Dec 2013, 13:29
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Here is VH-TSG, red and silver. Hoping for good news.

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Old 16th Dec 2013, 22:59
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The photo of the speed placard is chilling isnt it? Very sad.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 01:16
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Last reported radio transmission from the pilot said was he was "carrying out aerobatics at 3500'."

Witnesses stated they saw the aircraft hit the water in an almost vertical high speed dive.

It looks like he might have tested and found the aircrafts aerobatic limits.

Pax is reported to be a French woman.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 01:37
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Sadly, two bodies have just been recovered from the water by police divers.

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Nice one onetrack. I'm thinking that you are trying to say something polite but the words didn't come out right?
Those that know the Tiger would know that a spin is pretty much survivable (water aside) so to go in vertically instantly leads one to believe something far worse has occurred. What a bloody tragedy, particularly for a commercial operator.
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VH-XXX. It is a bloody tragedy regardless of the rating of the Pilot. Two lives lost is two lives lost. RIP
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Very sad.

I can only fear it is all from a 10c piece/iphone/<insert any loose item> and that is something that may never be found.

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Old 17th Dec 2013, 05:46
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You're right Jabba. Old aircraft are also simple ones, which is why they have stood the test of time and it usually takes something out of the ordinary to take them take them out of action.
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VH-XXX - I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come across as unfeeling, and I don't have any more idea about what actually happened, than the next bloke.
I was merely presuming in-air break-up, due to aerobatics, but of course, it could have been any one of a dozen other things, from pilot incapacitation through to simple breakage or jamming of a vital control component.

However; and I don't think I'm alone in this view - I have serious reservations about the wisdom of practising aerobatics with paying pax on board, in an 80+ yr old wood, wire, and fabric aircraft.
Now, I now they undergo exceptionally thorough examinations for COA, but I guess the conservative side of me, tells me that if I want to go aerobatic, it's probably a lot wiser to do so, in a much later model and more durable metal airframe.

Unfortunately, despite the great love for Moths amongst pilots, the truth is, a substantial number of Moths have augered into hard ground or water after practising, or attempt to practise, aerobatics. Maybe a lot of these were pilot error, and maybe a lot weren't, either.
Maybe I'm affected by my earliest memory of aircraft being a Moth that augered in only a few miles from my home in the 1950's, after the pilot apparently tried practising the falling leaf manoeuvre. He didn't survive.
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Investigation: 200200377 - de Havilland Aircraft DH-82A, VH-AJG

Really quite sad, but the moth has been known to fall out of the sky for reasons unknown (I know, just like any other plane ever made). That link above being very close to me, a mate of mine being the passenger in ajg.
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Tiger Moth crash off South Stradbroke Island

Newlywed pilot Jimmy Rae's last words before horrific Tiger Moth crash off South Stradbroke Island

JIMMY Rae grabbed the controls of his two-seater Tiger Moth and radioed back to base.
"Conducting aerobatics over 3500 feet," he said, preparing to thrill the French woman seated in front with a spinning view of sea and sky.
Then there was silence.
The four-cyclinder wooden plane had speared into the ocean, crashing about 400m off the coast of South Stradbroke Island.

Tiger moth pilot Jim Rae, pictured here with wife Alice on a previous trip, was killed when his Tiger Moth crashed on Monday. Picture: Facebook

Alex James Rae, 26, had recently married and was about to embark on a new adventure with his wife Alice - the pair planning an outback move to a cattle station in the Northern Territory where they had both found work.
But last night emergency crews were working to retrieve his body and that of his passenger as the French woman's distraught partner helped police contact her family.

Police search for the wreckage of the Tiger Moth. Picture: Fletcher Scott

It is understood surf life savers spotted the plane ditch into the ocean at 12.30pm, sparking a massive air and sea search.
Other pilots in the air at the time said they had no idea anything was amiss, having heard Mr Rae's voice over the radio announce he was about to perform aerial manoeuvres.
The wreckage of the Tiger Moth was spotted shortly after, having sunk 7m to the ocean floor.

Debris from the wreckage is washed up on the beach. Picture: Adam Head

Over the next few hours, pieces of the plane, including part of the propeller and its ID badge, washed into the beach.
Mr Rae, from Labrador, was one of several pilots working for Gold Coast-based Tiger Moth Joy Rides.
"We're just devastated about what's happened," owner Geoff Stillman said. "We're a very small outfit and very tight-knit, so we are all shattered."
The young pilot and adventurer, who moved to Australia from the UK with the girl he'd known since school, was about to set off on his latest adventure at the end of January.
The couple had been getting ready to move to Helen Springs, a 10,000 square kilometre cattle station in the Northern Territory.
It was to be Mr Rae's second outback adventure after he spent 18 months flying Cessnas for S Kidman and Co out of a cattle property in Southwest Queensland.
CEO Greg Campbell said Mr Rae, like many other newly-qualified commercial pilots, had completed 1000 hours flying experience with them, taking staff members between the company's vast properties and mustering cattle.
"He was a really friendly, likeable young man who always fit in well," he said.
"The respect with which he was held within our organisation was such that we were only too willing to re-employ him and his wife as well.
"It's very sad.
"I can't imagine how his wife must be holding up."
The Tiger Moth was powered by a de Havilland Gipsy Major, a four-cylinder, air-cooled, incline engine used in a variety of light aircraft produced in the 1930s.
It is believed to be the first death from the Tiger Moth Joy Ride company since it began flying in 1978.
"This is not great for this time of the year," said one operator. "It is not great for the close-knit community either. When something like this happens we all feel it.
"Jimmy was a great pilot. He was just on the radio doing a standard call out ... just before the crash happened."
Sources told The Courier-Mail Tiger Moth Joy Rides is a responsible operation with an outstanding safety record stretching back more than 30 years.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau will send a team to the site of the crash today, to begin their investigation.

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Old 17th Dec 2013, 19:12
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Terrible .....
I remember that Tiger very well from when I flew at Cooly in the 80's. Old Bruce on the radio, "Cooly Tower this is Tango Sierra Gold for a Rrrrrromeo Four November".

Condolences to all.
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Old 17th Dec 2013, 23:31
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One track has said it..." serious reservations about ..aerobatics with pax in an old aeroplane (etc)....and I would add...WITHOUT parachutes!!! in any type of aircraft wood or metal

Surely, as things can and do go wrong, what price a bit of cheap "insurance" and giving those on board at least another option.

In the States where the lawyers bite hard, for even just a joy flight in a Texan, they get you kitted up and briefed.

There has been the odd occasion where the wearing of didnt make a difference to the fatal outcome, but there are many more examples where a 'chute would have made a tragic outcome just an adrenalin rush.

see the video clip of the 2 Cessnas that had a midair 'ding'...ok full of parachutist passengers anyway but the pilot of the fiery broken one could depart as well. instead of having to ride it have others
RIP those Tiger 2
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 02:25
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I read in the media that a GoPro camera was in use. That is a video I would not want to watch. I hope and presume the footage will never go public but do realise that others could benefit from it.
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Old 18th Dec 2013, 03:12
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I hope the media is correct this time, the Gopro footage will be of great use to investigators, and help with closure for a lot of people.
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