Speed record MEL-SYD
Read my earlier post again please. Ansett B727's cruised at M .8 or .82 (when I was on them anyway), so with the B727 at FL330 there's not much difference in TAS with a DC-9 doing .76 at around FL270/290, particularly as the 9 was already out in front during the climb. Since we're talking about MEL-SYD, the inevitable tailwind would proportionately reduce the speed advantage the Boeing held too. On longer trips the B727 would win, but certainly not MEL-SYD
Originally Posted by Butt scratcher
If you '9 boys were so fast, why aren't 71s ruling the airways? It's a '9 on steroids after all!
Big donks good for countering drag on takeoff, can't make wing go any faster at high altitude. Once a railway line, always a railway line!
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The Good Old days
It was great back when we had 3 holers and DC9s running around. As an ATC when we asked them to go max, they knew what the word meant. Now, they panic and slow down so bloody early , except Air NZ who still know how to fly. A few years ago we had the same situation with a UAL 747 Mel-Syd straight in on 07. He was showing 300+ on radar at Glenfield. Slowed down and configured no problems. Ask a domestic Airbus of any sort to do that now and hear the panic in their voices.
Captain Fathom,
Exactly!!
Bloggs,
The max range cruise MNo. for a B727 was probably faster than average cruise speeds on many current aircraft.
But it ain't normal cruise speeds that set records, it is the max. speeds. Back in the GODs, we climbed a B747 at 360, cruise 0.88, descent 0.88/360 to 3000', to meet schedule on N.American sectors. Great fun!!
Tootle pip!!
Exactly!!
Bloggs,
The max range cruise MNo. for a B727 was probably faster than average cruise speeds on many current aircraft.
But it ain't normal cruise speeds that set records, it is the max. speeds. Back in the GODs, we climbed a B747 at 360, cruise 0.88, descent 0.88/360 to 3000', to meet schedule on N.American sectors. Great fun!!
Tootle pip!!
Borram, as a 'bus driver, I wish we could go 'flat chat' like old days have it, but it's the BS company requirements that's hindered such efforts. I just wish I was being powered by a JT8D now'a'days. 
We just wish we got more direct tracking and high speed from ATC like the old days, instead of having to ask for it.
We just wish we got more direct tracking and high speed from ATC like the old days, instead of having to ask for it.
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We just wish we got more direct tracking and high speed from ATC like the old days
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Electra
I still maintain that an Electra could be about a minute faster than a 727 on the SYD - MEL, or vice versa, legs - in the old days when pilots ruled the airlines and still had some fun flying.
Modern jets and operational policy probably means the Electra may still hold the "record".
When the race was on the Electra could maintain >250 kts until pretty close to the runway, whereas the 727 had to start slowing down way out, no matter how hard they tried to delay config until the last possible minute.
SIDs and STARs weren't around and the Electra needed Approach Control to help out with shortest track and either a short base or straight in. Any holding or speed control and the jet won.
When the Ansett/QANTAS race was on with jets on the SYD - MEL route in the early 90's QF started cheating when departing SYD behind AN by running their 767s at FL290 to get to 120 ML first, and hog the descent. WHY? Beers in the bar and bugger the rest.
Modern jets and operational policy probably means the Electra may still hold the "record".
When the race was on the Electra could maintain >250 kts until pretty close to the runway, whereas the 727 had to start slowing down way out, no matter how hard they tried to delay config until the last possible minute.
SIDs and STARs weren't around and the Electra needed Approach Control to help out with shortest track and either a short base or straight in. Any holding or speed control and the jet won.
When the Ansett/QANTAS race was on with jets on the SYD - MEL route in the early 90's QF started cheating when departing SYD behind AN by running their 767s at FL290 to get to 120 ML first, and hog the descent. WHY? Beers in the bar and bugger the rest.
My leg, captain ate first.
Ah..SYD-CBR on the 727..on average 19 minutes airborne, brief the F/As "Wheels-up, meals-up"…the F/E would look after ATIS, calling company, read the checklist etc. all we had to do was eat..!
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Zlin, I remember doing a 17 min SYD - CBR on a VB 737 - 25 departure (from the old VB gates/shed) and a straight in runway 17. It was the fastest on record by the tine I had left VB but I guess one of those ejets would now claim that one.
SYD-CBR and v.v. were sectors where the DC-9 really shone, because the lower cruise Mach didn't matter (the sectors were flown at FL200/210) while the aircaft's strengths (rapid clean up with superb acceleration combined with the ability to keep the speed up on arrival until very close) had a proportionately greater influence.
I can't recall the times, but departing 35 at CBR to land on 07 at SYD was very quick indeed, yet the redoubtable Vince C*****s always managed a seemingly leisurely breakfast!
I can't recall the times, but departing 35 at CBR to land on 07 at SYD was very quick indeed, yet the redoubtable Vince C*****s always managed a seemingly leisurely breakfast!
Did a 50 min MEL 27 to SYD 34L in a 767 to beat curfew one evening. It needed some ATC assistance - right turn off 27 direct to base 34L - and a flat-out cruise at FL280. Of course there were no company speed restrictions in those days. 
Landed at 3 minutes to 11.
Used to have some fun racing the 727's into Alice in a Conquest. Alice tower was once queried as to why the Conquest was getting priority from 30 miles one day.
Rosco in the tower replied " 'cause he can maintain 250kts to 3 miles and then get off at the first taxiway. You can't."
"Fair enough" came the reply.
Landed at 3 minutes to 11.
the Electra could maintain >250 kts until pretty close to the runway, whereas the 727 had to start slowing down way out
Rosco in the tower replied " 'cause he can maintain 250kts to 3 miles and then get off at the first taxiway. You can't."
"Fair enough" came the reply.
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You lucky bastards 
look at it now 
Best approach I ever saw from the Kye rissole was a United 747, visual left base onto R07, geesus, the earth moved. Most impressive bit of flying I've seen
look at it now Best approach I ever saw from the Kye rissole was a United 747, visual left base onto R07, geesus, the earth moved. Most impressive bit of flying I've seen
Used to have some fun racing the 727's into Alice in a Conquest. Alice tower was once queried as to why the Conquest was getting priority from 30 miles one day.
Rosco in the tower replied " 'cause he can maintain 250kts to 3 miles and then get off at the first taxiway. You can't."
"Fair enough" came the reply.
Rosco in the tower replied " 'cause he can maintain 250kts to 3 miles and then get off at the first taxiway. You can't."
"Fair enough" came the reply.
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yet the redoubtable Vince
And, on one occasion when that track was beset by thunderies in all directions .. Vince's was the only aeroplane to maintain sked for the day ... he just went under the cells ... back and forth ... while all and sundry were diverting however many thousands of miles left and right to get around the bumps ...
And, on one occasion when that track was beset by thunderies in all directions .. Vince's was the only aeroplane to maintain sked for the day ... he just went under the cells ... back and forth ... while all and sundry were diverting however many thousands of miles left and right to get around the bumps ...
