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Old 28th Oct 2013, 22:56
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How many gravel strips are that long? Very few. The machine would thus be limited to only the major aerodromes, which have sealed surfaces anyway.
Most gravel runways and all mine sites in WA and many in the NT are easily that long. Certainly won't be a show stopper for Western Ops guys.

Plenty of hype about the machine being capable of "short strips", but will CASA allow this for the RFDS?
Well CASA might have to enter into the real world!! It will be a major embarrassment and there will be alot of political pressure applied if CASA start to block a PC24. I cannot see the Nationals letting CASA get away with to much if the RFDS come and show them the new Jet they want for country people, but CASA won't approve the certifictaion criteria despite every other authority in the world approving it.

Yes, I believe, given that their ops are back-of-the-clock with most of the RFDS pilots being younger guys, with the PC24 being their first jet.
Yeah and so what? Guys in the airforce fly their first jet at 100 hours. If you can fly the PC12 well I'm sure you cna adjust to the PC24.
It will be the old crustys in management that I would be worried about.

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You guys are talking about if this is a done deal having these fancy new jets avail scattered all over the countryside. Years b4 they even get off the ground & a few years is an eternity in aviation.
'FGD' touched on another area that I haven't added in my previous posts as there's so many hurdles in this field, the 20.7.1B for A/C Abv 5.7t. The B350's have their limitations & so will the PC's not insurmountable but sure do add to the boffins decision making process as to what to buy for Aeromed Ops.

Don't get me wrong would love to see some shiny jets in the RFDS (I'd be sniffing around there myself if that be the case) but can't see it happening at least not in the foreseeable future.

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Old 29th Oct 2013, 02:56
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Dunno Wally, I think there may even already be a couple of orders (at least serious expressions of interest when they open the order book anyway) for these things by RFDS.

Just look at how popular the PC-12 has been for RFDS (your old section excluded, ).

Not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN.

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Old 29th Oct 2013, 03:03
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with most of the RFDS pilots being younger guys,
Average age where I work around 47ish, with ages ranging from 27-65!
'FGD' touched on another area that I haven't added in my previous posts as there's so many hurdles in this field, the 20.7.1B for A/C Abv 5.7t. The B350's have their limitations & so will the PC's not insurmountable but sure do add to the boffins decision making process as to what to buy for Aeromed Ops.
Come the new reg's, there will be no above 5700kg, nor 20.7.1B. Small aircraft will become those below 8618kg, which will include B350 and the proposed PC-24. At this stage the waters are very muddy with regard to performance requirements for aircraft sitting between 5700kg & 8618kg.

I anticipate that Aeromedical operators (and the RFDS in particular), will be looking to continue operating as they have for many years. I can't see the regulator imposing restrictions that will reduce, or hinder the present services available. Given the move to risk based safety, I would imagine that aeromedical operators will be able to operate as they do presently, provided they can prove a safety case for operations which fall outside, or that will be restricted by the new regulations.
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Dunno Wally, I think there may even already be a couple of orders (at least serious expressions of interest when they open the order book anyway) for these things by RFDS.
I agree. Given they have helped design the thing I would imagine they may have some sort of option. RFDS are the biggest operator of the PC12 so a obvious place to try and move new product. The PC24 could kill off the pesky Kingair that inhabits the East Coast aeromed operators as well, so Australia is a good market for them.

However they do have to build it. Hopefully it won't be another Eclipse!
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Forgive my ignorance, as I have very little understanding of the new regs, and no experience with fixed wing EMS, but aren't aeromedical operations still classed as airwork?

If so, then then 20.7.1B para 11.3 would suggest that no factoring applies, so that if Pilatus achieves 800m field length then that's what you go with.

Will this be moving into the ATO cat under the new regs?
This seems counter productive. With regard to helicopters, the regs seem like a real ball and chain that will limit operations to the point of costing lives. At least SAR will still be airwork.

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Under Part 135 and the proposed aeromedical reg, operators will need to comply with Air Transport standards, this includes factoring for performance. I'm fairly sure that in the final wash up a compromise will be reached, otherwise I can think of one place in particular that will lose its aeromedical service, as there is no option of extending the runway! I'm sure there will be many others.

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The "jet" may be a way of attracting younger pilot's to join the RFDS in the future?
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OK, thanks HH.
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The "jet" may be a way of attracting younger pilot's to join the RFDS in the future?
Not sure this is a good reason to get "jets".

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And surely RFDS aren't so hard up trying to find pilots that they'd need to resort to that as a reason to get jets?
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Pilatus Media Release

Pilatus Media Release:

EBACE 2014 – First PC-24 Sales Contracts with Fleet Customers Signed






On the opening day of the European Business Aviation Conference & Exhibition (EBACE) in Geneva, Pilatus Aircraft Ltd signed fleet sales contracts with a first group of customers planning to operate their PC-24s in typical segments of the target market for which the new Pilatus jet has been designed. Sales went ahead on the basis of binding contracts and non-refundable deposits.



Oscar J. Schwenk, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Pilatus and Markus Bucher, CEO, today signed contracts for the sale of PC-24 fleets with five well-known operators:


• Falcon Aviation Services, United Arab Emirates: 2 PC-24s
• Jetfly, Luxembourg: 4 PC-24s
• PlaneSense, USA: 6 PC-24s
• Royal Flying Doctor Service of Australia (Western Operations): 3 PC-24s, incl. option for 1 additional aircraft
• U-Haul International, USA: 2 PC-24s


Oscar J. Schwenk is delighted:



"It's fantastic to be able to sign the first sales contracts for our new aircraft with such well-known operators. Our first customers plan to use their PC-24s for a broad and varied spectrum of mission profiles; with its unique characteristics, we believe our aircraft offers the ideal solution in each case. Missions will include commercial flights, medical flights, private business flights and fractional ownership arrangements. I would like to express my very sincere thanks to our customers for their confidence in our company and in the PC-24.”



Markus Bucher adds:



"In terms of operations, our first fleet customers cover a wide spectrum of different use. In terms of location, too, we will see our PC-24 flying in many areas of the world right from the start of deliveries.



We attach the highest priority to customer service, and look forward to this very valuable early opportunity to acquire a deeper understanding of PC-24 operations in very varied, and sometimes extreme, conditions. Specifically composed teams will do everything possible to ensure that the first PC-24s are ready to operate smoothly from 2017. PC-12 owners consistently rate our customer service 'excellent' in consumer surveys: our goal is to meet and even exceed the understandably high expectations of our PC-24 customers.”



Grahame Marshall, CEO of the Royal Flying Doctor Service of Australia (RFDS Western Operations), eagerly looks forward to the PC-24 joining the fleet:



“When transporting patients requiring emergency medical care, time is always of the essence. With the vast distances we service across Western Australia, covering some 2.5 million square kilometres, the challenge for us has been how to combine a turboprop’s strengths like its dependability and its ability to operate from short and unimproved surfaces, with a jet’s speed – and that is exactly what the PC-24 will now deliver. The other great benefit the PC-24 will bring is enhanced accessibility for our stretcher patients and staff because of its huge aft cargo door. There has been a close ongoing co-operation between RFDS and Pilatus in the definition phase of the PC-24, and we are now very excited to take the next step and become a Launch Customer for the new Super Versatile Jet.”



President and CEO of PlaneSense®, Inc., George Antoniadis, said its fractional ownership program is pleased to be a PC-24 launch customer.



“We have been in close cooperation with Pilatus for nearly 20 years, and immensely value our long standing friendship, as evidenced by taking delivery of 50 Pilatus PC-12s since our inception,” Antoniadis said. “We are delighted to be a PC-24 launch customer because we are confident that this Pilatus jet, with its large cabin, exceptional performance, and trademark large cargo door, will further enhance our service offering and augment our marketplace reach. In addition to the initial launch order, we anticipate acquiring many more uniquely capable PC-24s in the future.”



CEO of Jetfly, Cédric Lescop, said:



“We are very proud to support the launch of the Pilatus PC-24. Jetfly believes that this jet will shake up the entry level business aviation market segments by filling a gap, because it combines the comfort of a large cabin, the price of a small jet and the landing performance of the best turboprops. The PC-24 will be a perfect complement to our existing fleet and will further improve our service.”



High-resolution photos of the PC-24 as well as from EBACE 2014 are available to download, free of charge, at http://images.pilatus-aircraft.com.



Further media information is available from:

Oscar J. Schwenk, Chairman

Pilatus Aircraft Ltd

P.O. Box 992, 6371 Stans, Switzerland

Phone: +41 41 619 62 05, Fax: +41 41 619 60 34

E-mail: [email protected]
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Old 21st May 2014, 05:29
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Ever thought jets might mean speed for the distance required up in these parts.

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Old 21st May 2014, 05:47
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Simon is taking things seriously, SR22TN to PC12 to twin jet
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Go hard or go home I say!
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Old 21st May 2014, 07:31
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So RFDS(WA)-three plus an option for one, who is the other undisclosed Australian retail customer with an order for three?

Interesting to see where WA ops base them? All three at Jandakot maybe, all one at Port Headland, one in Derby and one at Jandakot?
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Old 21st May 2014, 07:43
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Well am surprised but it's great to see

Seems like the landscape has changed & fantastic the WA section are leading the way......dunno where the $$$ are coming from but hey as they say.................nice if you can get it
Might have to do some sniffing around


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mmm maybe the super base that they be building in broome
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