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Old 18th Jul 2019, 04:15
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I notice the US film has a "mudguard" deflector for dirt landings. Is this a new addition and do the Australian planes have one.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 05:04
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Originally Posted by rcoight
If you read what I said, I said it was “big” etc. in single-pilot terms.
Compared to a Mustang, it is more than twice as heavy, has well over double the thrust, is up to 100 kts faster in the cruise and it most certainly does have systems that a Mustang does not.
When were you at Flightsafety? It would seem an odd thing for an instructor and an FAA check airman to make up to tell us all that a number of pilots have been told they are wasting their time and money after a couple of sims, and that we should not consider this as an entry-level Jet.
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When was I last at FlightSafety --- not recently, and I do know of pilots who have been sent back here --- which is more of a condemnation of AU pilot standards than anything else. None were "owners".

But I do have a deal of experience on aircraft of various sizes, all of which I had to demonstrate my ability to fly single handed (even when they were multi-crew aircraft, this was a company "thing" addressing unlikely but possible scenarios) and I do know the Mustang.

Anybody competent on the Mustang (or the PC12,) or any similar turboprop or jet) will, I am quite certain, have no problem on the PC-24. Obviously, my knowledge of the PC24 is theoretical, but it reads as a delightfully simple and straightforward aircraft. I would also suggest that person who is a designated Check Airman by FAA doesn't automatically make him/her an instant expert on what constitutes an entry level jet.

The differences in installed thrust or weight are neither here nor there, it is the book performance that counts, the handling of either will not be an issue. As I said, the speeds around the circuit are very similar. I would suggest that the differences in cruise speed are less significant, operationally, than many might assume ---- you just get from TOC to TOD a bit quicker.

Back to being "sent home" --- that is not how the owner/pilot who has just expended around AUD$13M is treated by Pilatus or any other similar manufacturer, re-read what I posted.

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Old 18th Jul 2019, 05:38
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Originally Posted by harrryw
I notice the US film has a "mudguard" deflector for dirt landings. Is this a new addition and do the Australian planes have one.
FMP has it. Don't know about the WA aircraft.
Last time I flew FGM (the Pilatus demonstrator) it did not have the kit, but for all I know it may have it now.

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Old 18th Jul 2019, 05:59
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Originally Posted by LeadSled
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Righto, mate. Again, no argument. A competent pilot with decent PC12 time or other jet time should be fine.

It is, however, a fact that one owner placed his -24 on the market after failing to pass the course twice and giving up, and at least a couple of other pilots have been told they are wasting their time and money and to come back when they have more experience that would help them through the course.
I'm not suggesting this is unique to the -24 or that the -24 is some sort of space shuttle. I'd bet that happens from time to time on pretty much anything that requires a type rating.
Your comment on the FAA check airman is pretty disrespectful. This gentleman has flown everything from piston airliners to wide-body jets and practically every type of biz-jet imaginable up to and including Gulfstreams in an extraordinary career the likes of which most of us could only dream of. If he tells me that in his opinion the PC-24 should not be considered an entry level jet I'll listen to him. Especially as he's the guy who decides whether or not to sign me off!
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 09:48
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It’s a single pilot swept wing Mach .7 or so, multi engined thing with a comprehensive suite of manuals, procedures and checklists/memory items etc that all need to be absorbed, rehearsed and demonstrated to the checkie. It’s no picnic..not everyone is cut out or current enough to pass the course
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