Pilatus PC24

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by avconnection

The PC24 will see these shores late 2017 early 2018. Expect to see at least 6 by 2019.

Not a bad prediction from October 2013 !

[FGD135]

Nice video of another PC24 on dirt.

A little birdy told me that, after Central Section did that filming of FMP on the dirt strip, it was out of action for about 10 days for repairs caused by gravel damage.

Anybody can confirm?

[machtuk]

Originally Posted by FGD135

A little birdy told me that, after Central Section did that filming of FMP on the dirt strip, it was out of action for about 10 days for repairs caused by gravel damage.

Anybody can confirm?

Let's just say the type is not quite what the "Ruffdus" had expected!
reavaluation of its use is being reassessed as we speak

[compressor stall]

You two still salivating? Careful, you'll get dehydrated.

[Alice Kiwican]

One would think that the RFDS will use the PC12 to transfer patients from unsealed strips and the PC24 for sealed strips only at least for the immediate future

[rcoight]

Originally Posted by FGD135

A little birdy told me that, after Central Section did that filming of FMP on the dirt strip, it was out of action for about 10 days for repairs caused by gravel damage.

Anybody can confirm?

I can confirm that’s BS. Does that help?

[LeadSled]

Folks,
Can someone help me here?
Why would the PC-24 be inherently more liable for stone damage to the skin, compared to the PC-12, particularly given that the large engine running indicator at the front end of the latter tends to stir things up a bit, not a problem with the feared "jet".
Or is it just the "new is bad" affliction that is so prevalent in sectors of the AU aviation community --- where only criticism is permitted.
Tootle pip!!

[compressor stall]

Originally Posted by LeadSled

Folks,
Can someone help me here?
Or is it just the "new is bad" affliction that is so prevalent in sectors of the AU aviation community --- where only criticism is permitted.
Tootle pip!!

A quick look at any of the PC 24 threads running reveals these two posters (or is it one) chirping up, crowing and wishing for the failure of the PC24. Be it rumours of airframe problems or needing to be an astronaut to fly one. They started back not long after it was announced.

I don’t doubt for a minute that there will be teething troubles as any first of type will attest. And the RFDS will be cranking over the hours far ahead of most PC24 operators so they’ll hit the problems first.

Fact is is it’ appears to be a fine modern aircraft, extremely capable but not without some limitations. Every aircraft ever made has them.

[rcoight]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

A quick look at any of the PC 24 threads running reveals these two posters (or is it one) chirping up, crowing and wishing for the failure of the PC24. Be it rumours of airframe problems or needing to be an astronaut to fly one. They started back not long after it was announced.

I don’t doubt for a minute that there will be teething troubles as any first of type will attest. And the RFDS will be cranking over the hours far ahead of most PC24 operators so they’ll hit the problems first.

Fact is is it’ appears to be a fine modern aircraft, extremely capable but not without some limitations. Every aircraft ever made has them.

Well said.

The absolute crap spouted by one or two obviously either disgruntled ex-employees or competitors is pretty pathetic, really.

[LeadSled]

Folks,
I note that the next batch of assembly line positions have almost sold out, the "reservations" of several "Australian xsperts**" or the actual Australian experience had not dented the sales appeal of the aircraft, with, it appears, re-orders from satisfied batch one customers.
Clearly these customers are not heeding said AU pprune xsperts.
Tootle pip!!

** For those not in the know: X is the unknown quantity and spert is a drip under pressure.

[Stationair8]

LeadSled, talk on the street, is that a couple of Pilatus PC12 private pilot types are upgrading to the PC24 Jet.

[LeadSled]

Originally Posted by Stationair8

LeadSled, talk on the street, is that a couple of Pilatus PC12 private pilot types are upgrading to the PC24 Jet.

Stationair8,
That does not surprise me, an upgrade from the PC 12 will be straightforward for any pilot who is reasonably competent.
The PC24 appears to me to be a delightfully simple and straightforward aeroplane, I would just love to get my hands on one as private transport ---- Lotto??
Now let's hear from the Xsperts.
Tootle pip!!
PS: Pilatus have a very long and consistent record of producing practical and long-lived aeroplanes, I have no doubt that the PC24 will be (already is) a worthy addition to the tradition.
Sadly, the only Pilatus time I have is on the piston Porter --- that is going back some, now.

[rcoight]

Originally Posted by LeadSled

Stationair8,
That does not surprise me, an upgrade from the PC 12 will be straightforward for any pilot who is reasonably competent.
The PC24 appears to me to be a delightfully simple and straightforward aeroplane, I would just love to get my hands on one as private transport ---- Lotto??
Now let's hear from the Xsperts.
Tootle pip!!.

Not entirely the case - the instructors at Flightsafety have sent more than a few pilots home halfway through the course, and the FAA examiner made it very clear indeed this is not an aircraft for your average private pilot wanting to jump into their first jet. At the end of the day this is a large, fairly high performance jet in single-pilot terms.
It is not a Citation Mustang, or Cirrus jet.

Having said that, it handles beautifully, has no real vices and any pilot who has a decent amount of time in a 12NG (for familiarity with the avionics) and is both a competent instrument pilot as well as a decent hand-flyer should be able to get through.

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by Stationair8

LeadSled, talk on the street, is that a couple of Pilatus PC12 private pilot types are upgrading to the PC24 Jet.

Someone told me a few years back that Simon Hackett had one on order.

There was also talk of Lindsay Fox buying one at the Avalon Airshow.

All hearsay of course :-)

[LeadSled]

Originally Posted by rcoight

Having said that, it handles beautifully, has no real vices and any pilot who has a decent amount of time in a 12NG (for familiarity with the avionics) and is both a competent instrument pilot as well as a decent hand-flyer should be able to get through.

Isn't that what I said??
As for some of the other comments attributed to FlightSafety, big it is not, it is very marginally faster than a Mustang around the circuit, just a couple of knots, a little faster at high levels, and last time I noticed, owners of aircraft doing the factory supplied course don't get "sent home". It is certainly no more technically difficult than the Mustang, as in NOT.
There are facilities and systems to handle pilots who are not full time professional pilots with existing jet/turboprop experience, and need more than the minimum time, either in the sim. or in the aircraft.
Tootle pip!!

[Stationair8]

Don’t worry LeadSled, I am due to win the big Powerball- so will be happy to take you for a jaunt in my new Pilatus 24.

The PC24 will look good in the hangar next to the new Porter.

[rcoight]

Originally Posted by LeadSled

Isn't that what I said??
As for some of the other comments attributed to FlightSafety, big it is not, it is very marginally faster than a Mustang around the circuit, just a couple of knots, a little faster at high levels, and last time I noticed, owners of aircraft doing the factory supplied course don't get "sent home". It is certainly no more technically difficult than the Mustang, as in NOT.
There are facilities and systems to handle pilots who are not full time professional pilots with existing jet/turboprop experience, and need more than the minimum time, either in the sim. or in the aircraft.
Tootle pip!!

I agreed with you that a competent and experienced PC12 pilot should have no problems.

If you read what I said, I said it was “big” etc. in single-pilot terms.
Compared to a Mustang, it is more than twice as heavy, has well over double the thrust, is up to 100 kts faster in the cruise and it most certainly does have systems that a Mustang does not.
When were you at Flightsafety? It would seem an odd thing for an instructor and an FAA check airman to make up to tell us all that a number of pilots have been told they are wasting their time and money after a couple of sims, and that we should not consider this as an entry-level Jet.
Anyway, whatever. I’m not interested in arguing, and only came on here to call out the BS from a couple of the naysayers.
It’s a great aircraft. Cheers.

[FGD135]

I can confirm that’s BS. Does that help?

Thanks, rcoight.

It seems that Western Section have not done a single gravel landing with their PC24s, whilst Central has done just the one. Why the apparent avoidance of gravel?

[rcoight]

Originally Posted by FGD135

Thanks, rcoight.

It seems that Western Section have not done a single gravel landing with their PC24s, whilst Central has done just the one. Why the apparent avoidance of gravel?

No worries. I have no idea re WA section, but there's nothing I'm aware of that suggests we are avoiding gravel strips. Perhaps no gravel strip jobs have come up yet that needed the jet rather than the -12? We're only going to use the jet on jobs that need it, not the normal every day tasks.

Regarding the dirt landing by FMP, that was filmed re May 6/7. I subsequently flew it on May 9,10, and 13.
There was no issues caused by the dirt landing that grounded the aircraft for any period I'm aware of.
Cheers.

[FGD135]

Thanks, rcoight. Seems there is always lots of misinformation to contend with.