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I don't think much mail gets carried between capital cities by anything smaller than a Metro.
Most ordinary mail in Australia is transported by road.
Road transport of Air Mail was pioneered by Reg Ansett, some may recall!
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Here we sit,
@ 40,000 feet, nothing on the clock but the makers name. Consensus – Yup, we have identified a problem, everyone's scared; but we still need a solution.
Reading Pprune and (occasionally) other various sites I get an impression that many 'outfits' are, of necessity, beholden, in one way or another to the CASA; or, captive if you like. This is wrong; provided your operation is 'legal' there should, in a reasonable world, be no need to be continually genuflecting or kissing anyone's arse just to stay 'operational'. Tip toeing around the issues, thinking concessions or permissions etc. will be withdrawn if the voice of dissent is raised – cannot, long term be healthy.
Most folk I have met who are part of an 'outfit' seem to be sane, capable, law abiding, practical, pragmatic sorts with the best interests of the 'outfit' at heart. In combination they could be a positive voice; tribalism and personalities aside. I have no doubt there is talent, leadership, intelligence and a willingness to get involved out there, no doubt at all. But I do wonder why the various 'outfits' can't have an indaba and at least agree to unite, even for a short while to sort things out.
Disclaimer: I only ask as an outsider, looking in: (most definitely not a 'club' member type).
Reading Pprune and (occasionally) other various sites I get an impression that many 'outfits' are, of necessity, beholden, in one way or another to the CASA; or, captive if you like. This is wrong; provided your operation is 'legal' there should, in a reasonable world, be no need to be continually genuflecting or kissing anyone's arse just to stay 'operational'. Tip toeing around the issues, thinking concessions or permissions etc. will be withdrawn if the voice of dissent is raised – cannot, long term be healthy.
Most folk I have met who are part of an 'outfit' seem to be sane, capable, law abiding, practical, pragmatic sorts with the best interests of the 'outfit' at heart. In combination they could be a positive voice; tribalism and personalities aside. I have no doubt there is talent, leadership, intelligence and a willingness to get involved out there, no doubt at all. But I do wonder why the various 'outfits' can't have an indaba and at least agree to unite, even for a short while to sort things out.
Disclaimer: I only ask as an outsider, looking in: (most definitely not a 'club' member type).
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Have any of you contacted Warren Truss (the next Transport Minister) to express your fear for the industry - a VIABLE industry which is being made UNVIABLE purely through political indifference?
No doubt you would have contacted the current minister, what was his reaction?
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------ Road transport of Air Mail was pioneered by Reg Ansett, some may recall!
Funny you should mention that, Reginald Miles pioneered carrying all the east coast freight by road ---- as did TAA.
In the early '60s, when both had a couple of DC-4 freighters, I worked for an overnight express company, Comet.
At least TAA were honourable enough to use overnight express for most of their airfreight. Reginald Miles was to tight for that, he waited until he had a semi load.
At least TAA customers got next day delivery, Ansett customers were often mystified why their "air freight" was no faster than "road freight".
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And no one knew air mail with Ansett was moving by Ansett Road Express until one of Reg's trucks rolled south of Sydney and air mail carpeted the Pacific Highway. 
I remember Comet, part of the TNT group up to the mid 1980s. The don't seem to exist anymore.
I remember Comet, part of the TNT group up to the mid 1980s. The don't seem to exist anymore.
Use to work in management at TNTAIR in the mid 80's, your wrong about road freight in lieu of air freight.
Of course everything went by air they literally FLEW using a 18 wheel Boeing with name tags reading Kenworth.
Those were the days, all the Pelair Westwinds and every small aircraft operator was your friend.
Now it's just toll and they are no fun
Of course everything went by air they literally FLEW using a 18 wheel Boeing with name tags reading Kenworth.
Those were the days, all the Pelair Westwinds and every small aircraft operator was your friend.
Now it's just toll and they are no fun
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If you want to remember back a bit further, RM started his bus service out of Hamilton (Vic). He would get all the pax seated, then collect the fares in order to buy the fuel for the trip to Melbourne!!
If you want to remember back a bit further, RM started his bus service out of Hamilton (Vic). He would get all the pax seated, then collect the fares in order to buy the fuel for the trip to Melbourne!!
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If you want to remember back a bit further, RM started his bus service out of Hamilton (Vic).
On returning to Victoria in December 1931, with his savings he purchased a second-hand Studebaker and began a service car operation between Ballarat and Maryborough carrying passengers and small items of freight. When this proved uneconomic, he switched the Ansett Motors operation to a Ballarat to Hamilton service. The wealthy graziers of Victoria's western district proved to be a much better market. Within a few years he had a small fleet of service cars operating to towns in western Victoria.
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Steady on, that would make me close to 100 now!!
The next part of the Ansett saga was the Victorian government clampdown on his road passenger services, because he was competing with the railways.
When the Victorian government banned these commercial road services, he made the trip free, but, by George, the mandatory orange and sandwich were the most expensive snacks in Victoria. Retrospective legislation soon sorted that out, so RMA turned to aeroplanes --- and Victoria Air Coach was born.
The ensuing history of High Court (because that is where most of the cases ended up) is the history of inter and intra state aviation in Australia, S.92 and S 51.1 of the Constitution, and the peculiarities of the fact that aviation is "states rights".
Reg was the major driving force in the 'Two Airline" agreement, that did so much to retard aviation in Australia.
Tootle pip!!
Steady on, that would make me close to 100 now!!
The next part of the Ansett saga was the Victorian government clampdown on his road passenger services, because he was competing with the railways.
When the Victorian government banned these commercial road services, he made the trip free, but, by George, the mandatory orange and sandwich were the most expensive snacks in Victoria. Retrospective legislation soon sorted that out, so RMA turned to aeroplanes --- and Victoria Air Coach was born.
The ensuing history of High Court (because that is where most of the cases ended up) is the history of inter and intra state aviation in Australia, S.92 and S 51.1 of the Constitution, and the peculiarities of the fact that aviation is "states rights".
Reg was the major driving force in the 'Two Airline" agreement, that did so much to retard aviation in Australia.
Tootle pip!!
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(Of course everything went by air they literally FLEW using a 18 wheel Boeing with name tags reading Kenworth.)
And in the sixties it was a fleet of Deutz 10 wheelers!
And in the sixties it was a fleet of Deutz 10 wheelers!
zac21,
In the '60's the overnight parcel services (Comet, IPEC, KwikasAir etc) all used 4 tonners, to avoid the state 6 pence per ton/mile road tax on anything over 4 tons, levied to limit competition with the railways.
Comet mostly used a special model Dodge, 350cui V-8, 5 speed box and 2 speed rear axle --- with a top speed of about 120mph --- no highway speed limits in those day. Ford Australia made a vehicle to a very similar specification.
In those days, the main railway freight depot in NSW was at Darling Harbour. I am certain the workers there were the models for Hollywood's present day zombies, they moved at the rate of the living dead --- and were mostly dead from the neck up.
Work to rule was permanent with the railways, and the rule was no work should be performed during working hours.
Tootle pip!!
In the '60's the overnight parcel services (Comet, IPEC, KwikasAir etc) all used 4 tonners, to avoid the state 6 pence per ton/mile road tax on anything over 4 tons, levied to limit competition with the railways.
Comet mostly used a special model Dodge, 350cui V-8, 5 speed box and 2 speed rear axle --- with a top speed of about 120mph --- no highway speed limits in those day. Ford Australia made a vehicle to a very similar specification.
In those days, the main railway freight depot in NSW was at Darling Harbour. I am certain the workers there were the models for Hollywood's present day zombies, they moved at the rate of the living dead --- and were mostly dead from the neck up.
Work to rule was permanent with the railways, and the rule was no work should be performed during working hours.
Tootle pip!!
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