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Skydiving - wow that must have been fun spending your weekends - unpaid , dragging sweaty smelly skydivers around.
Yes there are spectacular parts of the outback, but when you don't have a two dimes to rub together , you don't really have the brass to do the overpriced adventure stuff that the wealthy tourists do. The spectacular bungles look like a rock in five minutes, oh but wait you will have the amazing opportunity to find true love with an indigenous girl.
In the ten years, most won't have saved a brass razzoo. Particularly now with no movement from the regionals , so very hard to even get a start at a regional.
Most are just going to be stuck in the regional abyss for eternity.
Your Jetstar mate , in the meantime did a couple of years on the A320, shifted bases to Darwin did a lot Asian flying. Took LWOP did two years at Jetstar Pacific, flew the 330 for a bit. Twelve substantial overseas holidays , owns three houses. 320 capt , now 330 capt thinking of doing the LWOP again to go up to Asia again.
Oh but you have been camping & crabbing, own zip apart from a beaten up ute & have spent years in the outback - gee you are just miles ahead.
Oh & you can also spend hours swapping war stories about the local derro in Wyndam - wouldn't change it for the world mate !
Yes there are spectacular parts of the outback, but when you don't have a two dimes to rub together , you don't really have the brass to do the overpriced adventure stuff that the wealthy tourists do. The spectacular bungles look like a rock in five minutes, oh but wait you will have the amazing opportunity to find true love with an indigenous girl.
In the ten years, most won't have saved a brass razzoo. Particularly now with no movement from the regionals , so very hard to even get a start at a regional.
Most are just going to be stuck in the regional abyss for eternity.
Your Jetstar mate , in the meantime did a couple of years on the A320, shifted bases to Darwin did a lot Asian flying. Took LWOP did two years at Jetstar Pacific, flew the 330 for a bit. Twelve substantial overseas holidays , owns three houses. 320 capt , now 330 capt thinking of doing the LWOP again to go up to Asia again.
Oh but you have been camping & crabbing, own zip apart from a beaten up ute & have spent years in the outback - gee you are just miles ahead.
Oh & you can also spend hours swapping war stories about the local derro in Wyndam - wouldn't change it for the world mate !
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Yeah, you blokes better listen up to what Flyboat North has to say! Because based on his posting history, he has had a long and distinguished career in aviation in Australia. Did you end up finding somewhere in Melbourne last year to do your MECIR? 
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Skydiving - wow that must have been fun spending your weekends - unpaid , dragging sweaty smelly skydivers around.
Yes there are spectacular parts of the outback, but when you don't have a two dimes to rub together , you don't really have the brass to do the overpriced adventure stuff that the wealthy tourists do. The spectacular bungles look like a rock in five minutes, oh but wait you will have the amazing opportunity to find true love with an indigenous girl.
In the ten years, most won't have saved a brass razzoo. Particularly now with no movement from the regionals , so very hard to even get a start at a regional.
Most are just going to be stuck in the regional abyss for eternity.
Your Jetstar mate , in the meantime did a couple of years on the A320, shifted bases to Darwin did a lot Asian flying. Took LWOP did two years at Jetstar Pacific, flew the 330 for a bit. Twelve substantial overseas holidays , owns three houses. 320 capt , now 330 capt thinking of doing the LWOP again to go up to Asia again.
Oh but you have been camping & crabbing, own zip apart from a beaten up ute & have spent years in the outback - gee you are just miles ahead.
Oh & you can also spend hours swapping war stories about the local derro in Wyndam - wouldn't change it for the world mate !
Yes there are spectacular parts of the outback, but when you don't have a two dimes to rub together , you don't really have the brass to do the overpriced adventure stuff that the wealthy tourists do. The spectacular bungles look like a rock in five minutes, oh but wait you will have the amazing opportunity to find true love with an indigenous girl.
In the ten years, most won't have saved a brass razzoo. Particularly now with no movement from the regionals , so very hard to even get a start at a regional.
Most are just going to be stuck in the regional abyss for eternity.
Your Jetstar mate , in the meantime did a couple of years on the A320, shifted bases to Darwin did a lot Asian flying. Took LWOP did two years at Jetstar Pacific, flew the 330 for a bit. Twelve substantial overseas holidays , owns three houses. 320 capt , now 330 capt thinking of doing the LWOP again to go up to Asia again.
Oh but you have been camping & crabbing, own zip apart from a beaten up ute & have spent years in the outback - gee you are just miles ahead.
Oh & you can also spend hours swapping war stories about the local derro in Wyndam - wouldn't change it for the world mate !
OH, and who said McGrath50 never got paid to drop meat bombs or never saved a brass razzo. But then again he probably didn't have a huge debt from his cadetships costs either.
EDIT: I forgot to add what a wonderful place Darwin can be at certain times of the year, or Asia for that matter.
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Not everyone actually wants to be an airline pilot my friend
Having said that the jealousy on these forums towards the various airline cadetships is really quite hysterical
Be an outback drifter for ten years, traveling from one centrelink office to another as you search for that elusive "first job", after obtaining an expensive qualification , that qualifies you for nothing else.
We know that that 95% of those who start a cadetship fly for an airline. I wonder what % of those who fund a CPL make it - I would say 20% tops
The sad thing is the other 80% waste years of their lives pursuing a goal then failing, live their lives as outback "shadowmen"
% might have been a bit better 2003 to 2008 but that period was very much the exception, unlikely to be seen again.
Dream on you GA turboprop dreamer
Having said that the jealousy on these forums towards the various airline cadetships is really quite hysterical
Be an outback drifter for ten years, traveling from one centrelink office to another as you search for that elusive "first job", after obtaining an expensive qualification , that qualifies you for nothing else.
We know that that 95% of those who start a cadetship fly for an airline. I wonder what % of those who fund a CPL make it - I would say 20% tops
The sad thing is the other 80% waste years of their lives pursuing a goal then failing, live their lives as outback "shadowmen"
% might have been a bit better 2003 to 2008 but that period was very much the exception, unlikely to be seen again.
Dream on you GA turboprop dreamer
Having said that the jealousy on these forums towards the various airline cadetships is really quite hysterical
Flyboat, Have you ever sat down and thought why certain airlines promote these cadetships.
I'll give you a few hints. It's not because these outfits want to give aspiring pilots a helping hand. It's not because there's a shortage of pilots.
It's all about undermining existing terms and conditions.
Yet, you appear to be surprised by the posts that don't see cadetships as a good idea?
It's nothing to do with jealousy.
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Seeing conspiracies again brother
Quite simply they didn't want to hire a lot of the self paid CPLs that they took in the 06/10 period
If you attach a job outcome you will get a much wider talent pool applying. You will get higher calibre, more ability , more driven people as your pilot workforce.
What % of those who graduate top 5% of year 12 , or have just completed a degree at Good Uni would want to go beer can dreaming in the outback for ten years. Heaps of flies , very little money , surrounded by d***heads & drifters.
Very few I would suggest
Junior FO wages for two years maximum - big deal they are still grossing $85 K plus , and the course is lets face an 18 month vocational level training program.
Quite simply they didn't want to hire a lot of the self paid CPLs that they took in the 06/10 period
If you attach a job outcome you will get a much wider talent pool applying. You will get higher calibre, more ability , more driven people as your pilot workforce.
What % of those who graduate top 5% of year 12 , or have just completed a degree at Good Uni would want to go beer can dreaming in the outback for ten years. Heaps of flies , very little money , surrounded by d***heads & drifters.
Very few I would suggest
Junior FO wages for two years maximum - big deal they are still grossing $85 K plus , and the course is lets face an 18 month vocational level training program.
Firstly I got paid as a jump pilot (thanks 27!). I actually earnt more doing that than my first year as a casual charter pilot. So please don't stereotype and judge. You will notice I haven't ever posted here "do not do a cadetship".
All I am doing is providing a counter balance so a kid reading this forum who just missed out on the cadetship doesn't think it's all over.
Truthfully the story I told is a composite of myself and a few friends careers. I am still 'up north' and loving it. I also have 2 good friends who were cadets we all graduated school the same year.
The Jetstar cadet is like you say, enjoying decent money, lives in the city with all his friends and takes overseas holidays. Yet when we catch up he wants to know what a C210 is like and how do I do VFR in some of the weather he see's from his A320 at Darwin during the wet. We both are loving life and both have moments of jealousy of each other. That's life. There were cadets on his course who dropped out, got 'moved on' and started with Jetstar 12 months after he did. No one experience is typical.
My other friend is a Qantas Cadet from one of the last courses before the scheme was cancelled. He has only spoken to Qantas a couple of times since he started the course and since graduating the degree has heard nothing. He's working in GA and like me loving it but doubts he will ever see the cockpit of a Qantas jet despite all the time, effort and money he put towards the cadetship.
We are all happy. We are all marching different routes. One path isn't the best. In fact the same path can yield different results from different people. Stop scaremongering. GA is still alive and well and lots of fun. If you miss out on a cadetship (or decide it's not for you) all is not lost.
All I am doing is providing a counter balance so a kid reading this forum who just missed out on the cadetship doesn't think it's all over.
Truthfully the story I told is a composite of myself and a few friends careers. I am still 'up north' and loving it. I also have 2 good friends who were cadets we all graduated school the same year.
The Jetstar cadet is like you say, enjoying decent money, lives in the city with all his friends and takes overseas holidays. Yet when we catch up he wants to know what a C210 is like and how do I do VFR in some of the weather he see's from his A320 at Darwin during the wet. We both are loving life and both have moments of jealousy of each other. That's life. There were cadets on his course who dropped out, got 'moved on' and started with Jetstar 12 months after he did. No one experience is typical.
My other friend is a Qantas Cadet from one of the last courses before the scheme was cancelled. He has only spoken to Qantas a couple of times since he started the course and since graduating the degree has heard nothing. He's working in GA and like me loving it but doubts he will ever see the cockpit of a Qantas jet despite all the time, effort and money he put towards the cadetship.
We are all happy. We are all marching different routes. One path isn't the best. In fact the same path can yield different results from different people. Stop scaremongering. GA is still alive and well and lots of fun. If you miss out on a cadetship (or decide it's not for you) all is not lost.
The restraint you guys are showing is admirable. Flyboat' is a troll, nothing else.
Go on buddy, prove us wrong. Share with the forum your first hand knowledge and experience in aviation. Surely at age 38 you must have been in the profession for at least a decade, if not more.
People here may still not agree with you, but at least your almost manic hatred of all things not cadet may develope some credibility.
Go on buddy, prove us wrong. Share with the forum your first hand knowledge and experience in aviation. Surely at age 38 you must have been in the profession for at least a decade, if not more.
People here may still not agree with you, but at least your almost manic hatred of all things not cadet may develope some credibility.
The restraint you guys are showing is admirable. Flyboat' is a troll, nothing else.
Flyboat: Quite simply they didn't want to hire a lot of the self paid CPLs that they took in the 06/10 period
If you attach a job outcome you will get a much wider talent pool applying. You will get higher calibre, more ability , more driven people as your pilot workforce.
What % of those who graduate top 5% of year 12 , or have just completed a degree at Good Uni would want to go beer can dreaming in the outback for ten years. Heaps of flies , very little money , surrounded by d***heads & drifters.
If you attach a job outcome you will get a much wider talent pool applying. You will get higher calibre, more ability , more driven people as your pilot workforce.
What % of those who graduate top 5% of year 12 , or have just completed a degree at Good Uni would want to go beer can dreaming in the outback for ten years. Heaps of flies , very little money , surrounded by d***heads & drifters.
I bet more than a few people from the outback would be insulted by your drifters, dickheads comment.
You don't have to go to the outback to be surrounded by flies, drifters and dickheads and have no money.
Wow what a disgrace from FlyBoat. You speak of all the negative aspects and none of the positive of GA. Cadets, yes they all aren't that bad but the few I've seen can't even interpret a TAF over a TTF and you call yourself professional. If you yourself are a cadet you don't deserve the salary or the honour of flying a jet with those comments. That attitude will not get you a command either! Your peers will shut you down. It's a very small industry.
FFS guys, Flyboat is a troll. He is here to stir you up and waste your time. Don't reward him by biting. Nothing annoys a troll more than not taking the bait.
Anyone with more than five minutes experience in the industry can see he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
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Anyone with more than five minutes experience in the industry can see he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
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j3pipercub: FFS guys, Flyboat is a troll. He is here to stir you up and waste your time. Don't reward him by biting. Nothing annoys a troll more than not taking the bait.
Anyone with more than five minutes experience in the industry can see he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
Anyone with more than five minutes experience in the industry can see he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
The only reason I bother putting a counter view to FBN is that this is a thread that is likely to be read by those with less than 5 minutes in the industry and no reply to FBN's comments might be seen as agreement with them.
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Nice scare campaign with the Jetstar cadets getting moved on etc. The fact is that 95% of those who started the course have moved into full time employ with Jetstar. Just the same rate achieved in BA , Luftansa, the other large Asian cadet airlines such as SIA.
Nice story again about the Qantas cadet , all abandoned by the big bad company. Just no truth in it , all those on the QF cadetship moved into employment with Qlink , a number now captains there. Also many QF cadets moved into the Jetstar program, now flying A320s. So really they did quite well as compared to a GA guy who would have to spend five years getting competitive times for Qlink - then compete with several hundred for a start.
Why do you guys get so emotive, about the whole cadetships V GA conversation ?
My view is that someone would be foolish to without any backup qualifications/experience fund a CPL/IR , and that is my view supported by hard data.
The vast majority of GA experience is an underemployment , underpaid hand to mouth existence, where looking at it now you need to spend ten years before you had competitive times to join a major airline. About a five % chance of pulling it off I would suggest - why would anybody who knew the reality of the industry sign up for that kind of deal ?
A lot of people really just aren't all that interested in spending their prime years living in remote area Australia, getting paid peanuts. If the person is a high achiever they know they could of graduated from USyd or somewhere, earning good coin in the city, building a career - why would you swap that for remote area GA slave living ?
Cadetships you are sitting in an A320 18 months after completing year 12 earning $75K to $80K - really not much of a comparison is there ?
I think most of you guys in GA know now deep down that you are not going to ever be employed by a major airline, and you resent deeply those who are.
It is an understandable reaction to dreams that well , they just didn't turn out did they ?
Nice story again about the Qantas cadet , all abandoned by the big bad company. Just no truth in it , all those on the QF cadetship moved into employment with Qlink , a number now captains there. Also many QF cadets moved into the Jetstar program, now flying A320s. So really they did quite well as compared to a GA guy who would have to spend five years getting competitive times for Qlink - then compete with several hundred for a start.
Why do you guys get so emotive, about the whole cadetships V GA conversation ?
My view is that someone would be foolish to without any backup qualifications/experience fund a CPL/IR , and that is my view supported by hard data.
The vast majority of GA experience is an underemployment , underpaid hand to mouth existence, where looking at it now you need to spend ten years before you had competitive times to join a major airline. About a five % chance of pulling it off I would suggest - why would anybody who knew the reality of the industry sign up for that kind of deal ?
A lot of people really just aren't all that interested in spending their prime years living in remote area Australia, getting paid peanuts. If the person is a high achiever they know they could of graduated from USyd or somewhere, earning good coin in the city, building a career - why would you swap that for remote area GA slave living ?
Cadetships you are sitting in an A320 18 months after completing year 12 earning $75K to $80K - really not much of a comparison is there ?
I think most of you guys in GA know now deep down that you are not going to ever be employed by a major airline, and you resent deeply those who are.
It is an understandable reaction to dreams that well , they just didn't turn out did they ?
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Cadetships are definitely the way to go for the lucky few chosen.
One thing I can't figure out is why Jetstar don't just hire Swinburne/OAA graduates, rather than bother with cadets.
Having Cadetships means estimated requirements two years in the future, but hiring graduates would probably just reduce the estimates to six months.
Jetstar don't seem to have a big influence on the Swinburne/OAA curriculum, so the training would be pretty much the same. They could just do the same testing on graduates as they do on potential cadets.
Maybe the cadetships were originally meant to be a MPL curriculum and Jetstar changed their mind halfway through?
Why bother with a cadetship when it's not MPL?
One thing I can't figure out is why Jetstar don't just hire Swinburne/OAA graduates, rather than bother with cadets.
Having Cadetships means estimated requirements two years in the future, but hiring graduates would probably just reduce the estimates to six months.
Jetstar don't seem to have a big influence on the Swinburne/OAA curriculum, so the training would be pretty much the same. They could just do the same testing on graduates as they do on potential cadets.
Maybe the cadetships were originally meant to be a MPL curriculum and Jetstar changed their mind halfway through?
Why bother with a cadetship when it's not MPL?
Nice scare campaign with the Jetstar cadets
Nice story again about the Qantas cadet
Nice story again about the Qantas cadet
to join a major airline. About a five % chance of pulling it off I would suggest
If the person is a high achiever they know they could of graduated from USyd or somewhere, earning good coin in the city, building a career - why would you swap that for remote area GA slave living ?
It is an understandable reaction to dreams that well , they just didn't turn out did they ?
Unlike you I won't tell anyone not to go down one route. For a newbie, I'd suggest gather the facts (and don't believe what any one person says, not even me!), look at your life situation and your desires and go from there.
One thing I can't figure out is why Jetstar don't just hire Swinburne/OAA graduates, rather than bother with cadets.
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Why do you equate someone having a different viewpoint to you as being bitter - it is just someone having a different viewpoint
They get higher Cal candidates applying for the cadetship higher ATARs more degrees from higher ranked Unis, who wouldn't consider the Swin Av degree because of the post grad GA career path.
Also get people with established professional careers doing cadetship in late 20s. They often have financial commits , and can't do more than 18 months without a normal income.
Swinny/OAA try to hawk the aviation degree to those who miss out on cadetship. Swin talk up the ATAR required , in reality it is quite low , interestingly they don't even ask applicants to sit the maths section of the Compass test. After all what would a pilot need maths for ? , just want to fill the quota.
Notice Griffith are still spruiking their partnership with Cathay Pacific, exclusive to Griffith students. The reality is that Cathay have closed the advanced program, and have no plans to reopen it in the short to medium term.
Both Unis say grads will also be qualified to be regional FOs - thought you needed 2000 hours myself
They get higher Cal candidates applying for the cadetship higher ATARs more degrees from higher ranked Unis, who wouldn't consider the Swin Av degree because of the post grad GA career path.
Also get people with established professional careers doing cadetship in late 20s. They often have financial commits , and can't do more than 18 months without a normal income.
Swinny/OAA try to hawk the aviation degree to those who miss out on cadetship. Swin talk up the ATAR required , in reality it is quite low , interestingly they don't even ask applicants to sit the maths section of the Compass test. After all what would a pilot need maths for ? , just want to fill the quota.
Notice Griffith are still spruiking their partnership with Cathay Pacific, exclusive to Griffith students. The reality is that Cathay have closed the advanced program, and have no plans to reopen it in the short to medium term.
Both Unis say grads will also be qualified to be regional FOs - thought you needed 2000 hours myself
Flyboat: I think most of you guys in GA know now deep down that you are not going to ever be employed by a major airline, and you resent deeply those who are.
It is an understandable reaction to dreams that well , they just didn't turn out did they ?
It is an understandable reaction to dreams that well , they just didn't turn out did they ?
Nearly everyone I know of in GA that wants an airline job has got one, so their dreams are "turning out".
FlyBoat North, I'm not going to bother to read 3/4 of the shiiiite that you've dribbled from your mouth, however I'd just like to point out one thing.
I spent 10 years in "GA" (real GA, plus also several years flying small turbo-props), and I didn't have any problems getting into an airline when the time came that I decided it might be time. I enjoyed every year of those 10 years by the way.
I have many friends who have done similar, no problems getting into an airline as well.
Your Cadet scheme is merely for Gen Y who are too farrrking lazy to actually go and earn their career, OR, for older guys/girls who may not have the option to go out bush because of family (no problem with that, I completely understand).
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I spent 10 years in "GA" (real GA, plus also several years flying small turbo-props), and I didn't have any problems getting into an airline when the time came that I decided it might be time. I enjoyed every year of those 10 years by the way.
I have many friends who have done similar, no problems getting into an airline as well.
Your Cadet scheme is merely for Gen Y who are too farrrking lazy to actually go and earn their career, OR, for older guys/girls who may not have the option to go out bush because of family (no problem with that, I completely understand).
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