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Old 2nd Apr 2013, 07:39
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Update from nt police

Search Continues for Missing Plane - Update | NTPFES

Search Continues for Missing Plane - Update

Tuesday 02-Apr-2013 16:37

Northern Territory Police can confirm the body of a female has been located during the search for a missing light aircraft.

An air and sea search was launched last night by AMSA after reports a plane failed to reach its destination south of Darwin, after leaving Bullo River Station mid-yesterday afternoon.

On board were a 45-year-old man, his 53-year-old wife and their children aged 12 and 15.

“Late this afternoon a body was discovered washed up on a beach in the south of the search area near Cape Ford.” Said Acting Commander Mark Christopher.

“A forensics team is on its way to the site to recover the body in preparation for formal identification.”

“The search continues for the plane’s fuselage and passengers.”

“Up to eight aircraft and numerous vessels, including the NT Water Police, have been scouring the search area today and this is a tragic outcome.” Said Acting Commander Christopher.

“The search will continue tomorrow.”

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body of a female found
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gg - i dont fly a 210, but assume its similar performance to what i do fly. assume then that Vlo is quite a bit less than cruise speed - which as you note would be exceeded in a down draft. question, do they teach you to get the gear out regardless of speed on the basis that its safer to damage the gear system than continue to get too much speed? a serious question and i dont really know what damage is done when getting the gear out above Vlo - even though i passed the cpl exam!
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EFB appears to be a Fixed Gear 210 (strutless) 1967 model.
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2 more bodies found.

looks like everyone is gone.

RIP Stuart, Karmi and the girls
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EFB is an H. It is a retract but with gear doors.
 
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Wan it depends on the model.
I usually get around the 140kias mark in cruise with a standard IO520.
Vlo is 139 and 160 in the later models.
Not much if anything required to get the gear out, unless you have a fair descent going
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Cheers Mate and Family. Take care now will see you the other side.

GG never come to MKT for a beer. Seems you know Jack S.

There were 10 Aircraft in the group, all left Bullo within 1 hour of each other.

Never believe the media or PPRUNE for facts very few are on either.
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Never believe the media or PPRUNE for facts very few are on either.
AMPK is absolutely correct.

Gileraguy Every Cessna 210 ever built left the factory with retractable gear.

Wan The speed restrictions on deploying a C210 undercarriage are to protect the gear doors. If in dire straits put the gear down at any speed. It's cheaper to replace a door or two than the whole aircraft.
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Cheers Mate and Family. Take care now will see you the other side.

GG never come to MKT for a beer. Seems you know Jack S.

There were 10 Aircraft in the group, all left Bullo within 1 hour of each other.

Never believe the media or PPRuNe for facts very few are on either.
I understand you are grieving and offer my sincere apologies if I have offended you. However this subject will be discussed to the minute detail as always, and hopefully the younger sprogs will learn a thing or too.

So far the aircraft is where I said it would be, and more than likely got there how I said it got there.

The only other explanation is VFR into IMC. Both generally have the same result.

As for ten aircraft departing together, have you heard of risky shift? I'd suggest you read up on it. The pressure of having 9 other aircraft pressing on, can cause guys to go waaaay outside their comfort zone if they think everyone else is handling it.

Anyway It's another tragic day in Australian aviation.

As for the questions about landing gear, if it were me and I needed to get slow and dirty, I'd rather extend the wheels and record it on the MR, than have my accident and demise being discussed on pprune.

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GG.

You talk guess - we have more facts. Tell the young folk gossip if that is what you wish.

I guess you - as per prev comments on this site know all. Thanks for your personal weather info for that afternoon - must have been what save the rest of us!

Welcome to PM me - if you need.

As for fact 3 aircraft did not depart - Yak 52, Pitts and a Jabiru. Also 1 of my children I was about to put on that aircraft, but then almost 1 other child was about to be on that flight as they had 2 spare seats.

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Right from day dot in aviation we all get called upon to make decisions, when I make mine I take into account many things including my passengers well being. Regardless of the angst caused it would appear only three PIC's on that day made the right one, it has various forms including pressonitis. IthinkIcangetthere & she'llberight .... beat the crap out of me on Pprune if you like but regardless of the ton of hurt that is with his mates today, unfortunately this PIC made the wrong decision and has paid the ultimate price, one hopes we may all be able to learn from his sacrifice, especially the young sprogs

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Well, it appears the same old lessons are never learned in GA.

If you don't want accidents discussed/dissected on pprune, don't have them.

(P.S. we won't mention Whyalla)
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Rutan, not wishing to detract from the sad and serious issues being discussed here, but you're incorrect in this statement:

Every Cessna 210 ever built left the factory with retractable gear.
The not very lamented Cessna 205 was effectively a fixed-gear 210 - which is why it was designated a Cessna 210-5.
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unfortunately this PIC made the wrong decision
Avgas172 it must be wonderful to know exactly what went wrong thus allowing you to make your ill considered insensitive statement. Read the type of aircraft that didn't leave. Those pilots made the right decision in not flying that day but if they'd had 210s and the appropriate experience they may well have left with the other seven. I have operated in that area for 17 years in a C210 and know the forecast is often very different to actual weather and also can vary greatly over a short time period as well as a short distance.

By all accounts this pilot did not suffer from pressonitis and was very experienced in the area and aircraft type. It may well have been a case of the holes in the Swiss cheese lining up at the worst possible moment. Sounds like you've ruled out everything except weather, on very little information.
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So far, I think we can agree that 2013 has been a sh!t of a year for General Aviation in Aust.

Whatever the causes, I would much rather hear the stories of how not to do something first hand over a beer in a bar, and learn that way, rather than reading an ATSB report.

RIP.
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Whatever the causes, I would much rather hear the stories of how not to do something first hand over a beer in a bar, and learn that way, rather than reading an ATSB report.
Great idea! It will revolutionise pilot training. No more breifings in a boring fly school - Down the pub we go.....







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Well, it appears the same old lessons are never learned in GA.

If you don't want accidents discussed/dissected on PPRuNe, don't have them.
Well, when most people go through a tuff time in their lives they look to improve things.... Others, they just want to spread their misery..






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You mean flying schools don't offer briefings in the bar? What is the world coming to!



(Apologies - my beer in the bar comment didn't come out quite right...but my point is, I'd rather hear the stories first hand, not read an ATSB / Coroners report.)
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What i could do with multiple call signs...

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Right from day dot in aviation we all get called upon to make decisions, when I make mine I take into account many things including my passengers well being. Regardless of the angst caused it would appear only three PIC's on that day made the right one, it has various forms including pressonitis. IthinkIcangetthere & she'llberight .... beat the crap out of me on PPRuNe if you like but regardless of the ton of hurt that is with his mates today, unfortunately this PIC made the wrong decision and has paid the ultimate price, one hopes we may all be able to learn from his sacrifice, especially the young sprogs.
Hmmm... post designed to keep the churn going methinks..

First, lets get that appeal to emotion. I must be a good poster because - i think of the pax, i think of the young sprogs

Second, now that you've established yer a good person, tell the mates suffering "hurt" to go to hell because yer a good person and you will post what yer please.

Third, blame the "mates" for flying that day as that will get more 'bites' and keep the churn going....

Think that about covers it..





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