So GA is becoming a career?
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So GA is becoming a career?
Very interesting what is happening out there in GA right now.
Careflight paying upwards of 130K to drive a Kingair.
Pearl paying (EBA dependent) 113k Year 1 Metro Captain.
Now Hardy offering up to 90k to be a 402/404 Checkie
With major Australian domestic/international Airlines paying starting wages below 100k it's an interesting topic.
In the 80s a GA single engine driver earnt about the same salary as a new teacher.
Now a Teacher is earning about the starting salary of an airline Pilot.
If you want to attract the best, you need to pay the money for them. I hope the Jetstar EBA negotiations address this, along with QF short haul and Virgin.
Airlines need to stop comparing against each other in the race to the bottom and have a look at the industry as a whole and then peg it to other industries of comparable discipline.
If you don't recognise the value of Pilot wages, the Pilots wont recognise the value of the airline management. You can save in one sector the entire flights muffins sales if you select a better level, play with the cost index and get track shortening.
Treat the folk upfront with disdain and there is no motivation to try. The only motivation is to get there as quick a possible to get off and go home.....
Careflight paying upwards of 130K to drive a Kingair.
Pearl paying (EBA dependent) 113k Year 1 Metro Captain.
Now Hardy offering up to 90k to be a 402/404 Checkie
With major Australian domestic/international Airlines paying starting wages below 100k it's an interesting topic.
In the 80s a GA single engine driver earnt about the same salary as a new teacher.
Now a Teacher is earning about the starting salary of an airline Pilot.
If you want to attract the best, you need to pay the money for them. I hope the Jetstar EBA negotiations address this, along with QF short haul and Virgin.
Airlines need to stop comparing against each other in the race to the bottom and have a look at the industry as a whole and then peg it to other industries of comparable discipline.
If you don't recognise the value of Pilot wages, the Pilots wont recognise the value of the airline management. You can save in one sector the entire flights muffins sales if you select a better level, play with the cost index and get track shortening.
Treat the folk upfront with disdain and there is no motivation to try. The only motivation is to get there as quick a possible to get off and go home.....
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The way it is going, you will learn to fly, go to the airlines to build hours & then go to GA for your career! Who would have thought? 
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Just watch GA conditions fall if there is a surplus of pilots. It's much easier for a large group of pilots in one company to negotiate, than it is for small groups of pilots in many companies.
Back in 1999 first year Metro F/O award was $27 158, Captain pulled in around $50 000. Baggage handlers in the airlines and refuellers were nearer to $70 000.
Current GA conditions are simply supply and demand which could change, where as airlines have always had "good" pay after a few years in.
Back in 1999 first year Metro F/O award was $27 158, Captain pulled in around $50 000. Baggage handlers in the airlines and refuellers were nearer to $70 000.
Current GA conditions are simply supply and demand which could change, where as airlines have always had "good" pay after a few years in.
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What are the figures now Metro Man? Would expect the baggage handler is not ahead these days!
Careflight paying upwards of 130K to drive a Kingair.
Pearl paying (EBA dependent) 113k Year 1 Metro Captain.
Now Hardy offering up to 90k to be a 402/404 Checkie
With major Australian domestic/international Airlines paying starting wages below 100k it's an interesting topic.
Pearl paying (EBA dependent) 113k Year 1 Metro Captain.
Now Hardy offering up to 90k to be a 402/404 Checkie
With major Australian domestic/international Airlines paying starting wages below 100k it's an interesting topic.
I would suggest that it is a bit of a mirage in that the extra cash you get now is just eaten up by tax/inflation/cost of living.
GA could offer some appeal if the owners offered decent stable lifestyles but I doubt that there will be much flow out of airlines to go fly 30 year old aircraft in Darwin.
Back in 1999 first year Metro F/O award was $27 158, Captain pulled in around $50 000. Baggage handlers in the airlines and refuellers were nearer to $70 000
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Now a Teacher is earning about the starting salary of an airline Pilot.
21 years old, currently sitting around 900 hours, company is showing me progression, no current commitments in life, $63k salary (after 5 months employment) cheap rent and subsidised power/gas... GA feels like a good career to me.
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Looks like some airline FO wages to me.
I know a few guys who can't afford to leave their GA jobs. It's all well and good to say you will earn more money in 5 years time, but the bank still wants their money today, they're not gambling on whether you can get command.
Looks like some airline FO wages to me.
I know a few guys who can't afford to leave their GA jobs. It's all well and good to say you will earn more money in 5 years time, but the bank still wants their money today, they're not gambling on whether you can get command.
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Looks like some airline FO wages to me.
I know a few guys who can't afford to leave their GA jobs. It's all well and good to say you will earn more money in 5 years time, but the bank still wants their money today, they're not gambling on whether you can get command.
Looks like some airline FO wages to me.
I know a few guys who can't afford to leave their GA jobs. It's all well and good to say you will earn more money in 5 years time, but the bank still wants their money today, they're not gambling on whether you can get command.
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I'm not sure what banner of aviation the RFDS fits under (GA or otherwise?) but I have a friend there who is on a very... Very attractive salary.
They're paying half his yearly mortgage.
Some 15-20k of his yearly wage is not taxed (due to working in a not-for-profit sector)
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And his wage on top of that- not bad if you ask me... And from what I hear, truly rewarding work.
They're paying half his yearly mortgage.
Some 15-20k of his yearly wage is not taxed (due to working in a not-for-profit sector)
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And his wage on top of that- not bad if you ask me... And from what I hear, truly rewarding work.
Baggage handlers making 70 grand?????? CRAP. . I did baggage handling for 5 years and I didnt get near that figure. I think my best year was 58K.........BUT....and its a big BUT......I was averaging 135 hrs a fortnight, and some fortnights toped 150 hrs.
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Ozgrade 3 you're on the wrong end of the belt..
I was CSA/Guest services or whatever they want to call checkin these days for 6 years and didn't go less than 65k. It helps when your airline isn't tight and pays penalty rates on just about every shift.
Unfortunately the local flying school took it all away quicker than I could gather
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I was CSA/Guest services or whatever they want to call checkin these days for 6 years and didn't go less than 65k. It helps when your airline isn't tight and pays penalty rates on just about every shift.
Unfortunately the local flying school took it all away quicker than I could gather
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I'm with you 'max', $130K to drive a Beech, I might need that...what was the name of the truck driving school Mav?............Truck Masters?
In another life back in the 80's I was pulling in way more than the guys I was gassing up, poor buggers almost felt sorry for them
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In another life back in the 80's I was pulling in way more than the guys I was gassing up, poor buggers almost felt sorry for them
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Wonderful opportunity?
And then there is this...........
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The website appears to devote waaaaaaay too much space to their "cadetship". Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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The website appears to devote waaaaaaay too much space to their "cadetship". Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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I hear Hardy's are now asking for piston time on resumes as too many cadets trying to jump on the GA bandwagon and mistreating the 400 series Cessnas...
Mind you, work a lot harder Single Pilot IFR. It's no wonder that's where the big bucks are.
Mind you, work a lot harder Single Pilot IFR. It's no wonder that's where the big bucks are.
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100k not much in the top end !
Neville is right about the 100k up this way . 2 bedroom unit 420k-480k rent from
430$-500$ . If you want the wide open space of a house well your looking at 600k-850k rent 600$-900$ per week ,that,s if you can find one and get the ok from the real/agent from 20-30 applicants .
By the way those units and house,s above are the cheap ones ,get my drift .
then there the elec bills ( 650-1100$ a quarter) and fuel 1.50-1.65L.
Thats why they are offering so much mulla at the moment ,you wouldn,t come here for less then a 100k these days or you will be on the bread line for sure !.
Darwin is just a big FIFO base now which is sad for us long time residents
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the old saying goes you dont get anything for nothing .
Still its a great place to get those hour,s up and have a cold beer and relax.
Cheers coddy
430$-500$ . If you want the wide open space of a house well your looking at 600k-850k rent 600$-900$ per week ,that,s if you can find one and get the ok from the real/agent from 20-30 applicants .
By the way those units and house,s above are the cheap ones ,get my drift .
then there the elec bills ( 650-1100$ a quarter) and fuel 1.50-1.65L.
Thats why they are offering so much mulla at the moment ,you wouldn,t come here for less then a 100k these days or you will be on the bread line for sure !.
Darwin is just a big FIFO base now which is sad for us long time residents
.the old saying goes you dont get anything for nothing .
Still its a great place to get those hour,s up and have a cold beer and relax.
Cheers coddy