New Brumby 610 LSA
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New Brumby 610 LSA
Anyone had anything to do with this new aircraft, it looks impressive for what it has been designed for. I am more interested in the Lycoming powered version. If any of you have purchased or flown one I would be very interested in you comments.
Watch the weight with two heavy blokes and full fuel - you'll probably be over MTOW. The Lycoming engine is significantly heavier than the 912. It's also thirstier.
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Does the Brumby Evolution come fitted with a mixture knob?
The Rotax, 75% power of Max continuous is claimed to burn about 19 L/hr (+/-1), and I have seen this myself so sounds about right.
A Lycoming O-233 with the 116HP engine, at the same rated power (0.75x95) is producing 71.25 HP. This is 61% power for the "old" Lycoming.
Now if and I say if this little baby Lyco behaves itself, it should produce all of those 71.25 fillies on a computed 18.92 LPH.
Damned that data yet again! And all this on moderately low compression pistons too.
So even if you said it was a bit heavier, and you were near the MTOW, leave some fuel behind, it does not need to be full to have great range.
I think from what little I have seen, and I was promised a fly in one but will have to redeem that offer, it is an outstanding LSA. Not as pretty as some but far more practical.
The Rotax, 75% power of Max continuous is claimed to burn about 19 L/hr (+/-1), and I have seen this myself so sounds about right.
A Lycoming O-233 with the 116HP engine, at the same rated power (0.75x95) is producing 71.25 HP. This is 61% power for the "old" Lycoming.
Now if and I say if this little baby Lyco behaves itself, it should produce all of those 71.25 fillies on a computed 18.92 LPH.
Damned that data yet again! And all this on moderately low compression pistons too.
So even if you said it was a bit heavier, and you were near the MTOW, leave some fuel behind, it does not need to be full to have great range.
I think from what little I have seen, and I was promised a fly in one but will have to redeem that offer, it is an outstanding LSA. Not as pretty as some but far more practical.
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...........sheeez jabba dabba doo yr getting very close to yr calculator...........you still married?
Ya gotta get a life mate!
Bit of an ugly duckling & I noticed on their website (one of their Vids) the green arc ends at 100kts, interesting they say it cruzes between 100-110kts, 10 kts into the yellow, not a place to be at times down low:-)
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Ya gotta get a life mate!Bit of an ugly duckling & I noticed on their website (one of their Vids) the green arc ends at 100kts, interesting they say it cruzes between 100-110kts, 10 kts into the yellow, not a place to be at times down low:-)
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I dunno about you, but I find 30 kilos more than "a bit heavier" 
I am sure that are some little guys out there for whom it doesn't matter, but I would struggle, plus I don't see what the Lycoming offers that the Rotax doesn't. Why pay and carry less useful load?
People seems to have the assumption that because it's a Lycoming, it's going to be near bullet proof. The reality is that this is a new unproven engine. People though the same for the SkyCatcher: it's a Cessna, it must be tough, that is why it is so heavy compared to other LSAs. Well, it turned out to be AD central with stuff cracking here there and everywhere.
Don't judge a book by its cover!
I am sure that are some little guys out there for whom it doesn't matter, but I would struggle, plus I don't see what the Lycoming offers that the Rotax doesn't. Why pay and carry less useful load?
People seems to have the assumption that because it's a Lycoming, it's going to be near bullet proof. The reality is that this is a new unproven engine. People though the same for the SkyCatcher: it's a Cessna, it must be tough, that is why it is so heavy compared to other LSAs. Well, it turned out to be AD central with stuff cracking here there and everywhere.
Don't judge a book by its cover!
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (hope I've got the saying right!)
Beauty or not, I saw these guys at Temora a couple of years back at Natfly and to say that the quality of their product was exceptional would be an understatement. Initially I had no intention of looking at their stand however I heard one of their guys politely telling a prop manufacturer that the prop they supplied had this tiny little scratch on it. Thinking they were being a bit @nal, I wandered over for a closer look and was blown away with the quality and finish of their aircraft. Great work for an Aussie manufacturer.
Beauty or not, I saw these guys at Temora a couple of years back at Natfly and to say that the quality of their product was exceptional would be an understatement. Initially I had no intention of looking at their stand however I heard one of their guys politely telling a prop manufacturer that the prop they supplied had this tiny little scratch on it. Thinking they were being a bit @nal, I wandered over for a closer look and was blown away with the quality and finish of their aircraft. Great work for an Aussie manufacturer.
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Yeah, not dissing the Brumby, I too have inspected it and think it's a very good product. Just buy it with the Rotax! ;-)
The site says 345 empty. Assuming that is with the Rotax, then 375 for Lycoming? I regularly fill the sporty with 200 KG of people and stuff. 25 KG of fuel would have me be on reserves before I reach the edges of the Adelaide VTC in the LycoBrumby.
The site says 345 empty. Assuming that is with the Rotax, then 375 for Lycoming? I regularly fill the sporty with 200 KG of people and stuff. 25 KG of fuel would have me be on reserves before I reach the edges of the Adelaide VTC in the LycoBrumby.
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Is the actual Brumby weights 30kg heavier for the Lyco?
And why....well Horsepower isnt everything.....Its the ONLY thing, and 21 more ponies is good. Max Continuous
And why....well Horsepower isnt everything.....Its the ONLY thing, and 21 more ponies is good. Max Continuous
Folks,
An often missed point is that both models have been through a full FAR 23 flight test equivalent program, including spins and recovery at all limits of C.of G.
This is something that few LSA can boast. To say that they are structurally superior to most LSA I have had a close look at, would be an understatement.
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An often missed point is that both models have been through a full FAR 23 flight test equivalent program, including spins and recovery at all limits of C.of G.
This is something that few LSA can boast. To say that they are structurally superior to most LSA I have had a close look at, would be an understatement.
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............hey 'Jack' I said it was an ugly duckling, do I still get paid like the rest of the stary eyed kids here?
Yr right Jabba, think like the Yanks do...... more power more cubes
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Yr right Jabba, think like the Yanks do...... more power more cubes
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Wal, you get a free stubby of VB for every punter you get to Lethbridge Ozrunways is a brilliant product, skythrills are a great organisation. Brumby looks pretty good to me consistency of moderation, mmm, yeah......
Ozrunways is a brilliant product, skythrills are a great organisation. Brumby looks pretty good to me consistency of moderation, mmm, yeah......
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It's spinnable??? BRING IT!!!
Ugly? not on your life.... slabaroo's are ugly! This looks like an aeroplane that says " i have a job to do, and i can do it well"
I'd love to have a drive of one.
Like many, i've never been a rotax fan given my exp with them in watercraft. I've been paying special attention to the rotax powered P92 Super Echo at our club, even had a couple of drives of it, an i am impressed with how far Rotax has come with reliability. Sure Lycoming and Continental can claim 50+ years experience each, but they have been very slow to modernise. I think Lyc and Cont are in for a shock over the next few years as other manufacturers take up the fight to challenge the duopoly.
Nice to see comments above that aren't canning the aussie product for a change....best thing aussies do is beat to death our own products
Ugly? not on your life.... slabaroo's are ugly! This looks like an aeroplane that says " i have a job to do, and i can do it well"
I'd love to have a drive of one.
Like many, i've never been a rotax fan given my exp with them in watercraft. I've been paying special attention to the rotax powered P92 Super Echo at our club, even had a couple of drives of it, an i am impressed with how far Rotax has come with reliability. Sure Lycoming and Continental can claim 50+ years experience each, but they have been very slow to modernise. I think Lyc and Cont are in for a shock over the next few years as other manufacturers take up the fight to challenge the duopoly.
Nice to see comments above that aren't canning the aussie product for a change....best thing aussies do is beat to death our own products
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No affiliation here Jack, apart being a potential customer.
Thanks for the positive input everyone. What's the reliability of the Rotax like and does anyone know where on the web I could get some info on the glass instrumentation the aircraft has?
What really impresses me about this aircraft is the way how it been constructed and its range.
Thanks for the positive input everyone. What's the reliability of the Rotax like and does anyone know where on the web I could get some info on the glass instrumentation the aircraft has?
What really impresses me about this aircraft is the way how it been constructed and its range.
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Not in the market for one but handsome is as handsome does. Based on my Sportstar experience, low wing LSAs are not practical aircraft for Australian conditions. We ended up totalling Two of them and a Third had major damage - just a wee bit too delicate and that wing is too close to the ground for reliable crosswind use. The Sportstar would run out of aileron authority if you weren't very careful.
Now the Brumby with the new Rotax 912 iS - fuel injected would be a very very capable beast with great range. I'm corresponding with an early user who is averaging about 13 L/hr in some pretty severe conditions. The only "issue" with this engine is that it will most definately need a header tank for peace of mind as the pumps circulate about 60 L/hr.
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Now the Brumby with the new Rotax 912 iS - fuel injected would be a very very capable beast with great range. I'm corresponding with an early user who is averaging about 13 L/hr in some pretty severe conditions. The only "issue" with this engine is that it will most definately need a header tank for peace of mind as the pumps circulate about 60 L/hr.
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Rotax make a good power plant, mind you they have spalled lifters and all sorts of things happen too, so its not the be all of engine reliability. I have a gut feeling they are not quite as reliable as the Lycoming, and that will be contrary to some opinions here. But in our part of the world we see a lot of Rotax action and I have ...err...good information intel. But I must stress the result is I have a gut feeling that the Rotax is not any better. So lets just say its near enough to be a wash between the two.
The engine weights might be different, but what is the BEW of the two aircraft options as the Rotax has some accessory weight that may or may not be in the numbers, so installed BEW of the complete thing matter.
As for the avionics Dynon Avionics - Home
They use the D180 classic panel. A very good choice.
The engine weights might be different, but what is the BEW of the two aircraft options as the Rotax has some accessory weight that may or may not be in the numbers, so installed BEW of the complete thing matter.
As for the avionics Dynon Avionics - Home
They use the D180 classic panel. A very good choice.