Any news on Barrier? Minus the drift.
I can't find anything official...were are you getting your info?
'Roger on the rogering'...can you be a bit more specific?
Still nothing?
'Roger on the rogering'...can you be a bit more specific?
Still nothing?
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Roger that.! Rogering on.....!
a grape from the vine...
CASA has presented nothing new, over and above that which they had before the "mediation"
But now a "Show Cause" ...more delay. And back to court?
Hope their legal folk can respond with the famous " The only cause that I show is... etc..." not to paint them into a blind corner.
Down at the CNS FF you can hear the sounds of Rottweilers snuffling over the Barrier bone.
CASA has presented nothing new, over and above that which they had before the "mediation"
But now a "Show Cause" ...more delay. And back to court?
Hope their legal folk can respond with the famous " The only cause that I show is... etc..." not to paint them into a blind corner.
Down at the CNS FF you can hear the sounds of Rottweilers snuffling over the Barrier bone.
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Haven't actually seen any of the 'official' reasons why from CASA yet. Nothing on their website, twitter feed or anything. It would seem they were bullting when they talked about 'working with Barrier to get back into the air'. It's suprising that after all of this time Barrier is still hanging on. 9 weeks is a hell of a long time for a business to not be operating.
Love them or hate them all the operators in that part of the world play a big part in the local economy. CASA aren't doing anyone any favours by dragging this thing out.
Why aren't Barrier given the opportunity to fix the issues concerning CASA right now and continue operating immediately? Poor form.
Is the death by a thousand cuts intentional? Are they so detached from the industry and so bureaucratic that they don't recognise it, or do they simply not give a monkeys?
ting when they talked about 'working with Barrier to get back into the air'. It's suprising that after all of this time Barrier is still hanging on. 9 weeks is a hell of a long time for a business to not be operating.Love them or hate them all the operators in that part of the world play a big part in the local economy. CASA aren't doing anyone any favours by dragging this thing out.
Why aren't Barrier given the opportunity to fix the issues concerning CASA right now and continue operating immediately? Poor form.
Is the death by a thousand cuts intentional? Are they so detached from the industry and so bureaucratic that they don't recognise it, or do they simply not give a monkeys?
curious...last para ..you are right.
We all have to remember that CASA does not give one rats ar$e about any financial pain inflicted on any business or person for whatever their reason...valid or otherwise. Ask JQ.! Ask me!
And if it helps their MO in knocking someone over, so be it.
The Bald (delete eagle) insert Screamer stated at the Senate hearing, when there was a Q posed about unwarranted imposts on a business...
The bizarre reply was " Again, we are not a commercial regulator, we are a safety regulator"
Oh really.! Could have fooled me and all those like folk who have been seriously shafted by the "safety" regulator and its attack dogs.
We all have to remember that CASA does not give one rats ar$e about any financial pain inflicted on any business or person for whatever their reason...valid or otherwise. Ask JQ.! Ask me!
And if it helps their MO in knocking someone over, so be it.
The Bald (delete eagle) insert Screamer stated at the Senate hearing, when there was a Q posed about unwarranted imposts on a business...
The bizarre reply was " Again, we are not a commercial regulator, we are a safety regulator"
Oh really.! Could have fooled me and all those like folk who have been seriously shafted by the "safety" regulator and its attack dogs.
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What protections are in place to stop CASA damaging a business?
How much proof and hard evidence do CASA need before they can shut someone down?
I did read somewhere that this all came from the accusations of a former employee but I'm not sure if thats true or not. Is that enough to warrant this sort of action or is there a smoking gun we don't know about yet?
How much proof and hard evidence do CASA need before they can shut someone down?
I did read somewhere that this all came from the accusations of a former employee but I'm not sure if thats true or not. Is that enough to warrant this sort of action or is there a smoking gun we don't know about yet?
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There is no protection as long as they wave the "safety flag"
Apparently not very much proof at all.
Yes a disgruntled ex employee started this.
The main evidence they have is a gripe sheet and an affidavit. No smoking gun.
Unchecked bureaucratic power at it's finest.
There is no protection as long as they wave the "safety flag"
Apparently not very much proof at all.
Yes a disgruntled ex employee started this.
The main evidence they have is a gripe sheet and an affidavit. No smoking gun.
Unchecked bureaucratic power at it's finest.
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So how come BA haven't been able to get back into the air if there is no smoking gun? Surely that evidence isn't enough to ground the whole operation for this long. What a joke CASA.
I wonder how much longer they are allowed to keep BA grounded. If thats all they've come up with, it makes BA's case a bit stronger for ending the suspension.
So how come BA haven't been able to get back into the air if there is no smoking gun? Surely that evidence isn't enough to ground the whole operation for this long. What a joke CASA.
I wonder how much longer they are allowed to keep BA grounded. If thats all they've come up with, it makes BA's case a bit stronger for ending the suspension.
Remember...??
some months ago Barrier was halted Sunday 23 Dec on the basis that...and correct me if I'm wrong with the wording.."they were a serious and imminent threat to aviation safety". ie a crash pending.
OK,...lets hear it from the CASA crew..What is this threat, or threats plural?
All the punters seated in the GA stadium would dearly like to know.
Eventually it will all have to see the light of day to clearly show in a court of law, unlike JQ and others, that they have a dinkum case and can prosecute accordingly.
If not...$#@!!%%$!
UITA...I bet they have.!!! The problem is from the Miniscule, Pollywafflers and the CASA Bored down is how do WE get THEIR attention.
My impression is its us the desperate talking to the disinterested
Senators just keep at it P L E A S E !
OK,...lets hear it from the CASA crew..What is this threat, or threats plural?
All the punters seated in the GA stadium would dearly like to know.
Eventually it will all have to see the light of day to clearly show in a court of law, unlike JQ and others, that they have a dinkum case and can prosecute accordingly.
If not...$#@!!%%$!
UITA...I bet they have.!!! The problem is from the Miniscule, Pollywafflers and the CASA Bored down is how do WE get THEIR attention.
My impression is its us the desperate talking to the disinterested
Senators just keep at it P L E A S E !
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"Eventually it will all have to see the light of day to clearly show in a court of law, unlike JQ and others, that they have a dinkum case and can prosecute accordingly."
This has already been through a court and it appears that casa had squat, the problem is that there is no one to regulate the regulator... It took them minutes after the suspension was lifted by the court for them to reinstate it and then send out a hastily prepared show cause apparently with no new accusations.. (Double jeopardy must not apply in Casa's world)
This has already been through a court and it appears that casa had squat, the problem is that there is no one to regulate the regulator... It took them minutes after the suspension was lifted by the court for them to reinstate it and then send out a hastily prepared show cause apparently with no new accusations.. (Double jeopardy must not apply in Casa's world)
Curious, the idea is to send broke without ever getting their day in court. That way CASA doesn't have to have its evidence tested. Judge jury executioner is their preferred mo.
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Nothing on BA's website, nothing on CASA's either. Anyone know what date BA can get back into the air under the current suspension? Can it be extended (legally) again after this?
Everyones playing this with the cards to their chest it seems
Everyones playing this with the cards to their chest it seems
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BARRIER AVIATION GROUNDED:
CASA has stopped Barrier Aviation from flying. Barrier flies into Darwin from Cairns. Here's the text of CASA's statement...
"The Civil Aviation Safety Authority cancelled the air operator’s certificate held by Barrier Aviation Pty Ltd on Wednesday 13 March 2013.
Barrier Aviation was a Cairns-based charter operator and flying school.
CASA suspended Barrier Aviation’s operations on 23 December 2012 due to a serious and imminent risk to air safety.
On 22 February 2013, the Federal Court of Australia made an order prohibiting Barrier Aviation from conducting operations.
CASA conducted a thorough investigation which confirmed Barrier Aviation had been operating aircraft with serious and known defects, as well as directing pilots to fly these aircraft.
Known defects were also not being recorded on aircraft maintenance documentation.
Following the Federal Court order and the completion of CASA’s investigation, CASA was not satisfied that Barrier Aviation would not operate aircraft with known defects if allowed to resume operations.
CASA has determined Barrier Aviation had a poor safety culture and placed commercial imperatives before safety.
The inconvenience this action will cause for passengers and Barrier's employees is regrettable, however, CASA's primary and overriding priority is safety."
CASA has stopped Barrier Aviation from flying. Barrier flies into Darwin from Cairns. Here's the text of CASA's statement...
"The Civil Aviation Safety Authority cancelled the air operator’s certificate held by Barrier Aviation Pty Ltd on Wednesday 13 March 2013.
Barrier Aviation was a Cairns-based charter operator and flying school.
CASA suspended Barrier Aviation’s operations on 23 December 2012 due to a serious and imminent risk to air safety.
On 22 February 2013, the Federal Court of Australia made an order prohibiting Barrier Aviation from conducting operations.
CASA conducted a thorough investigation which confirmed Barrier Aviation had been operating aircraft with serious and known defects, as well as directing pilots to fly these aircraft.
Known defects were also not being recorded on aircraft maintenance documentation.
Following the Federal Court order and the completion of CASA’s investigation, CASA was not satisfied that Barrier Aviation would not operate aircraft with known defects if allowed to resume operations.
CASA has determined Barrier Aviation had a poor safety culture and placed commercial imperatives before safety.
The inconvenience this action will cause for passengers and Barrier's employees is regrettable, however, CASA's primary and overriding priority is safety."