Chathams Pacific no more as of 3/3/13
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Chathams Pacific no more as of 3/3/13
As per the website Chathams Pacific Home ceasing services on the 3rd of march due to a competitor.
Who is behind the new venture?
Obviously only room for one operator. It's always a pity to see the incumbent lose out especially if they're doing a good job, which I think Air Chathams were.
Obviously only room for one operator. It's always a pity to see the incumbent lose out especially if they're doing a good job, which I think Air Chathams were.
The newbie won't make any money, but they won't go broke. Another flag carrying airline is being created to stroke the egos of various government ministers. Propped up by foreign aid, in return for a vote in the U.N. From the Chinese angle, it is neat coercion, because every year the Tongans will need another hand-out to keep it going, so the votes will keep on keeping on.
Private enterprise could never compete on those terms in such a small market.
Hopefully, PNG will never go the same way because their market is big enough that any airline that was created with el cheapo subsidised aircraft would probably make enough profit not to need further help.
Private enterprise could never compete on those terms in such a small market.
Hopefully, PNG will never go the same way because their market is big enough that any airline that was created with el cheapo subsidised aircraft would probably make enough profit not to need further help.
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This article may provide a little more insight.
Chinese plane forces NZ airline out of Tonga | Stuff.co.nz
Chinese plane forces NZ airline out of Tonga | Stuff.co.nz
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Tonga has also asked China to give it a 17-seat Harbin Y-12 aircraft to service smaller islands.
The MA60 is described as a short take-off-and-landing aircraft designed for rugged conditions.
The United States Federal Aviation Administration has refused to certify it, and it mainly operates in Third World countries where they are sold heavily subsidised or given away free.
The MA60 is described as a short take-off-and-landing aircraft designed for rugged conditions.
The United States Federal Aviation Administration has refused to certify it, and it mainly operates in Third World countries where they are sold heavily subsidised or given away free.
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Where will the crew come from?
Who like RPT on non FAA certified turbo props?
I feel safer in the retard vehicle
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The Chinese don't do anything for free.
They get their pound of flesh.
Not only will they get Tonga's UN votes, I'm sure substantial fishing rights were agreed too as well...
I guess the big risk in the Pacific is that if AU and NZ isolate Fiji too long, it will allow China to get a strong(er) foothold there too.
Why fight a future war when all China needs to do is spend huge amounts of money to achieve their long term strategic goals.
Look at Aviation, China has a growing list of Aviation interests bought for a song in the USA (TCM engines, Cirrus, Lake etc etc).
I guess India is slowly following China's lead with ownership of Airvan and an interest in Piaggio Aero...
They get their pound of flesh.
Not only will they get Tonga's UN votes, I'm sure substantial fishing rights were agreed too as well...
I guess the big risk in the Pacific is that if AU and NZ isolate Fiji too long, it will allow China to get a strong(er) foothold there too.
Why fight a future war when all China needs to do is spend huge amounts of money to achieve their long term strategic goals.
Look at Aviation, China has a growing list of Aviation interests bought for a song in the USA (TCM engines, Cirrus, Lake etc etc).
I guess India is slowly following China's lead with ownership of Airvan and an interest in Piaggio Aero...
Who will crew it?
Don't worry about that, I bet there is already a long list of interested pilots from the region that have made themselves known. I have yet to ever see a REAL pilot shortage.
Don't worry about that, I bet there is already a long list of interested pilots from the region that have made themselves known. I have yet to ever see a REAL pilot shortage.
The deal probably includes a crew and engineer training package - for Tongan Nationals. If the Tongan Government did not negotiate that, they would be the first customer not to.
Folks,
A quick google of the MA 60 seems to suggest that quite a few have come to grief, compared to the total number operating.
Whether this is a function of the aircraft, or where they are operating, or a bit of both, needs some study.
Tootle pip!!
A quick google of the MA 60 seems to suggest that quite a few have come to grief, compared to the total number operating.
Whether this is a function of the aircraft, or where they are operating, or a bit of both, needs some study.
Tootle pip!!
Prospector - spot-on. I have a mate who sometimes ferries these things and while they are not particularly sophisticated, he has no complaints about them. But he is too smart to get involved in any of their training programs. Or has a conscience.
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Leadie,
Good crew and operators can fly sh!t boxes and not crash them, even your old mob
But given to a bunch of ....you know, a 777 is not immune or safe.
I have wanted to go to Tonga one day. Not so sure now.
Good crew and operators can fly sh!t boxes and not crash them, even your old mob
But given to a bunch of ....you know, a 777 is not immune or safe.
I have wanted to go to Tonga one day. Not so sure now.
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The Tongan Government will never learn, they cannot run an airline.
Their graveyard is full of failed airlines. Too many people wanting a piece of the pie, lining their own pockets and with little experience.
Their graveyard is full of failed airlines. Too many people wanting a piece of the pie, lining their own pockets and with little experience.
I wonder how the gap will be filled, from when Air Chats pulling out at the start of March and the new operation starts in June.
It would seem that the new operation is timed to start at the beginning of the busy season and at this time of the year Air Chats don't make any money so they've decided to pull the pin sooner rather than later to minimise losses.
Could be interesting. I suspect large amounts of humble pie to be eaten by the Tongan Govt as they ask Air Chats to fill the gap on a charter basis.
It would seem that the new operation is timed to start at the beginning of the busy season and at this time of the year Air Chats don't make any money so they've decided to pull the pin sooner rather than later to minimise losses.
Could be interesting. I suspect large amounts of humble pie to be eaten by the Tongan Govt as they ask Air Chats to fill the gap on a charter basis.
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