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NZ Flight Instructor Guilty Of Airborne Assault
The former director of a flight school in New Zealand, Ravindra Pal Singh, 65, has been found guilty by a local District Court judge of separately assaulting two student pilots while providing instruction to them in the air. One student testified that Singh had slapped him in the face and pushed his head into the side of the cockpit. Another student said Singh elbowed her on several flights and raised his hand above her head in a manner that was threatening. Singh argued that the accusations were levied by poorly performing students who were in the county on visas that he was not inclined help extend. The judge disagreed with Singh's account in spite of the fact that an arrest warrant has been issued for a third accuser.
The third complainant brought common assault charges and is now wanted on charges of producing forged civil aviation documents. A fourth complainant also brought common assault charges. Both of those charges were dropped by the court. Singh still faces other charges in the case and sentencing will take place after all charges have been heard by the court. Singh had operated Palmerston North flying school in New Zealand until last summer, when he shut down operations. The school catered to Indians, and Singh said it operated well until he became more stringent on visa extensions and student complaints prompted him to close down.
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the quickest way to get a student to let go of the stick, when they have frozen up in fear, a backhand to the nose gets them letting go pretty quickly
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There used to be an instructor to the east of Melbourne that students didn't enjoy flying with after 3pm because he used to get edgy as he hadn't had a beer yet. He used to get really aggressive and slap the students hands on the controls. Problem is if you don't know what to expect when learning you may not realize that he has crossed the line. Slamming the students head is a different scenario somewhat! Luckily this local guy doesn't fly any more.
It's cultural. There were a couple of Korean instructors around 14 years ago around Melbourne that had two foot long sticks slightly thicker than a broom handle.
And they were used in flight on the non local students.
Mind you, you play by our rules out here. Good to see him charged.
And they were used in flight on the non local students.
Mind you, you play by our rules out here. Good to see him charged.
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1987, bloody hot day, Short final, Rwy 12 YBCS, instructor who shall remain nameless, later to be CFI of YRED ..... Glide approach ..... Not gonna make it ..... Punched me, short scuffle ensued, landed ok! Wouldn't recommend it to anyone but I survived, and there's nothing wrong with me me me me me ....
True story
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True story
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Apparently heard from TW area many moons past;
"This is Parrot One Five, twenty miles...(BANG!)" sound of E6B on back of helmet
"WRONG!"
"Um, ah, Parrot One Five, two zero miles to the east at, uh, thirty five hundred (BANG!)"
"WRONG!"
"Ah...er...Parrot One Five, two zero miles to the east at three thousand, five hundred feet, um..., inbound,....(BANG!)"
"HURRY UP!"
"This is Parrot One Five, twenty miles...(BANG!)" sound of E6B on back of helmet
"WRONG!"
"Um, ah, Parrot One Five, two zero miles to the east at, uh, thirty five hundred (BANG!)"
"WRONG!"
"Ah...er...Parrot One Five, two zero miles to the east at three thousand, five hundred feet, um..., inbound,....(BANG!)"
"HURRY UP!"
Never had it done to me, but I did threaten to swat any sticky fingers I found fiddling in my cockpit - instructor had a sneaky habit of flip flopping frequencies, moving tank selectors etc, all of which gets a bit tiresome when you're busy anyway.
I did threaten to swat any sticky fingers
The human psyche reacts differently when placed under stress, and announcing an impending situation, rather than inducing one, letting it unfold and observing the student reaction, then debriefing and modifying the behaviour (if required) later, can have two very different outcomes.
Might as well give "Captain" Bloggs a cornflake licence if they think they're too good for training.
I have seen personally a student, who was able to competently complete 45 minutes of successive PFLs, fall apart completely ten minutes later when one came as a surprise.
Sensahuma transplant needed Bloggs? IMO there is a difference between putting a student under pressure and merely buggering them around, apparently for your own entertainment. I've gotten on well with most instructors, but this particular individual proved an irritant rather than a teacher and I voted with my feet.
As is your right.
Why should I have a sense of humour about a student telling me, as PIC, how to conduct my training? I have never manhandled a student and would not tolerate a student threatening to do it to me.
Agreed, there is a difference between purpose and entertainment.
Why should I have a sense of humour about a student telling me, as PIC, how to conduct my training? I have never manhandled a student and would not tolerate a student threatening to do it to me.
Agreed, there is a difference between purpose and entertainment.
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Bored, bored, bahhhh humbug! christmas again!
A woman a dog & a walnut tree! the more you beat them, the better they be!
Back on the piste! had an instructor in the early 80's use to whack your throttle hand with a ruler, during ME/IF training! speed in the old Twin Comanche got a tad low on final and he became a raving nutter, said I was trying to kill him!
H/Snort
Back on the piste! had an instructor in the early 80's use to whack your throttle hand with a ruler, during ME/IF training! speed in the old Twin Comanche got a tad low on final and he became a raving nutter, said I was trying to kill him!
H/Snort
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Avgas..., how much later the CFI at YRED? And not the aeroclub, I hope.
Cheers
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Flew with a tough looking Vietnamese born student at Essendon many years ago. He is a 767 F/O now with a Pacific airline. Jovial bloke with very good English and good sense of humour. Became a CFI at a Fiji flying school. He also was a black belt karate expert. He told me about flying with an instructor from Melbourne Institute of Aviation, or MIA based at Essendon. Said instructor was a grade 2 with a foul mouth and was a screamer. During a X/country in a C172 the instructor was shouting non-stop. The student related to me that this grade 2 got right up his nose so much that: Quote: " I nearly considered putting him to sleep" . And with that he made an evil grin at me while making a karate chopping motion with his throttle hand.
A dirty trick story follows.
In another era Centaurus was a Lincoln instructor.
Wot's a bloody Lincoln you might say. Well its a bigger version of the wartime Lancaster four engine bomber. Designed as a single pilot type another crew member could act as copilot by sitting on a tiny fold-down stool attached to the fuselage wall. The seat was below the level of the captain's seat. That's where the instructor sat if there was one. A short instructor could barely see over the instrument panel. Needless to say I was a short QFI. Checklists weren't heard of in those days. It was all in the head and scans were usually left to right apart from the before take off checks which were standard RAAF Hatches, Harness, Hydraulics, trim etc. Mustn't forget the bomb doors lever either. .
One of the more important switches was the High/Low engine supercharger switch which had to be Low for take off otherwise you could bugger the engine on take off. From experience I knew pilots would occasionally miss this switch during their scans and with no checklist to pick it up it was potentially quite dangerous if in the wrong position (High Supercharger)
So for night flying especially (dark cockpit in those days) I would deliberately get into the cockpit before the "student" and flick the switch to "High" supercharger position in the hope the pilot would pick it up during the pre-flight scan. Dirty trick maybe but it could save lives. Word soon got around among the squadron pilots but I was not aware of that.
Was doing a night check on a former war time RAF Halifax bomber pilot called K.K. Wilson who had risked his life many times by dropping secret service agents at night by parachute into Occupied Europe. Very dangerous flying especially if the German night fighters got you on radar. KK knew about my trick and got into the aircraft before me. The bugger then taped several drawing pins pointy side out on the supercharger changeover switch and withdrew to the back of the aircraft to await my own furtive arrival. It was black as spades when I got to the cockpit and I didn't need a torch to locate the supercharger switch because I knew exactly where it was located in the middle of the instrument panel.
I found the bloody switch by feel and stuck my fingers right on to the drawing pins which drew blood and caused a great oath. From the back of the Lincoln appeared KK with a big grin and he said "that'll teach you to f**ck around, young Centaurus." Point taken in more ways than one...
A dirty trick story follows.
In another era Centaurus was a Lincoln instructor.
Wot's a bloody Lincoln you might say. Well its a bigger version of the wartime Lancaster four engine bomber. Designed as a single pilot type another crew member could act as copilot by sitting on a tiny fold-down stool attached to the fuselage wall. The seat was below the level of the captain's seat. That's where the instructor sat if there was one. A short instructor could barely see over the instrument panel. Needless to say I was a short QFI. Checklists weren't heard of in those days. It was all in the head and scans were usually left to right apart from the before take off checks which were standard RAAF Hatches, Harness, Hydraulics, trim etc. Mustn't forget the bomb doors lever either. .
One of the more important switches was the High/Low engine supercharger switch which had to be Low for take off otherwise you could bugger the engine on take off. From experience I knew pilots would occasionally miss this switch during their scans and with no checklist to pick it up it was potentially quite dangerous if in the wrong position (High Supercharger)
So for night flying especially (dark cockpit in those days) I would deliberately get into the cockpit before the "student" and flick the switch to "High" supercharger position in the hope the pilot would pick it up during the pre-flight scan. Dirty trick maybe but it could save lives. Word soon got around among the squadron pilots but I was not aware of that.
Was doing a night check on a former war time RAF Halifax bomber pilot called K.K. Wilson who had risked his life many times by dropping secret service agents at night by parachute into Occupied Europe. Very dangerous flying especially if the German night fighters got you on radar. KK knew about my trick and got into the aircraft before me. The bugger then taped several drawing pins pointy side out on the supercharger changeover switch and withdrew to the back of the aircraft to await my own furtive arrival. It was black as spades when I got to the cockpit and I didn't need a torch to locate the supercharger switch because I knew exactly where it was located in the middle of the instrument panel.
I found the bloody switch by feel and stuck my fingers right on to the drawing pins which drew blood and caused a great oath. From the back of the Lincoln appeared KK with a big grin and he said "that'll teach you to f**ck around, young Centaurus." Point taken in more ways than one...
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Avgas,
Brings back memories. Similar scenario from the same person. He also had the habit of grabbing your WAC, screwing into a ball and throwing in the rear seats on a navex if you dared to look at them for too long.
Didn't harm me none
Brings back memories. Similar scenario from the same person. He also had the habit of grabbing your WAC, screwing into a ball and throwing in the rear seats on a navex if you dared to look at them for too long.
Didn't harm me none
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Young guys sometimes require very blunt and direct communications to get the message thru. Guess it's a combination of more hormones than maturity.
Over the years I've trained dozens of IT graduates as Programmers and have been pretty successful. There have been times when I've rolled up a magazine and hit graduates around the head.
Call it "effective communications".
Over the years I've trained dozens of IT graduates as Programmers and have been pretty successful. There have been times when I've rolled up a magazine and hit graduates around the head.
Call it "effective communications".
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There have been times when I've rolled up a magazine and hit graduates around the head.
Call it "effective communications".
Call it "effective communications".
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