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Old 1st Dec 2012, 06:17
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Roulette solo display: Camberwell Vic.

Not a bad solo display this arvo in the midst of the 'burbs. Someone at the Camberwell South Primary School certainly has contacts - not many fetes get such a treat.

I reckon the display was down to 2-300ft - low enough to see the profile of the pilot in several of the low passes. Pretty speccy and a good, varied aerobatic routine.
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Ever thought the pilot might be an ex student?
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For anyone that hasn't seen a solo PC9 display, they are a great watch and absolutely nothing like the formation displays - chalk and cheese.

Every time I do see one though over populated suburbia I think of what goes wrong after an engine failure as they exit their loop at 200ft towards suburbia, but hey, Military aircraft don't have engine failures do they ????
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They also don't exit loops at 200'.
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it is powered by a PT-6..........................................



from wiki......
A PC-9/A flown by the RAAF Roulettes crashed at RAAF Base East Sale on 18 May 2011 after suffering engine failure. Both occupants were able to eject prior to the aircraft impacting the ground. The incident resulted in the RAAF suspending all flights of the PC-9/A while it carried out an investigation.[7] The aircraft were cleared to fly again at the end of June 2011.
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They also don't exit loops at 200'.
No, closer to 300ft yesterday.
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Back in the nineties, the Midwest Aero Club organised an airshow at Geraldton. It was really very good, considering it was a regional, first time attempt, but the indisputable highlight was a solo PC-9 aerobatics routine performed by a RAF instructor on secondment to the RAAF. It was, simply, the best display I have ever seen. All performed with utter precision, and utterly dazzling. You felt it was a real pilots display, we all good stood in there in awe, apart from the odd "....I want one" We all "wanted one" but knew we would never be able to fly it the way it was flown that day.
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How many feet then 300ft? Were you there and have you seen them practicing at East Sale by any chance?

Jazz - you picked up on my point... They certainly do fail and have done before in the same aircraft by the same operator. Can or worms, flogging a dead horse yes I am, but the Civilians have (CASA) rules for a reason at airshows and the like but the military do abide by their own rules.

Surely the military have never crashed into a crowd have they?????

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XXX, you are a jealous old prig at times
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Having seen a solo Roulette show previously (or should that be Aladdin show?), I suspect the amount of inertia they have as they exit the loop would be enough to take the aircraft out of harms way (if managed correctly), after all Bob Hoover has been doing it for years!

You make it sound like they are doing the show without forethought for such an occurence!
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Agreed, plenty of intertia, however who is going to steer the aircraft to safety when the pilot has ejected?

Just sayin.....

Not jealous OZ, I'm not into aeros, my head-space doesn't agree with them, which one day made a very laughable occasion when someone reported that I was illegally performing aerobatics in my aircraft. (He knows who I am talking about!)

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The fact that this is a debate saddens me.

Here we have a historically very reliable aircraft performing an admirable solo (reducing the risk even further) for free to a bunch of kids, and adults. I didn't see it, nor did my kids, but as a taxpayer I'm happy.

I would have thought that fellow aviators could weigh up the very long odds of something untoward hapenning here and taking out a bunch of schoolkids with the joy that it would have brought to them.

What better way to inspire them. Sadly they can't get to the jumpseat on a Boeing or Airbus like we did. I fly today from the inspiration from a cockpit visit to a 747 when I was 8. Don't deny the next generation the same opportunity.

They would be at greater risk being driven to their fete from a runway truck or drunk driver. At some point as a society we should pat the fun police on the shoulder, walk them to a nice beige room with soothing bird calls playing and serve them a cup of cool tea in case they burn themselves whilst the rest of us try and run a society that has fun and inspires the next generation.

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You don't have to go so low to put on a good spectacle. It's like the pilots that hit power-lines during a beat-up... they could have easily been another 50-100ft higher and still been entertaining and get the same result as a spectacle.

Engines do fail, particularly during aerobatics. That's all. The rules are there for Civilians, so are the Military *that* much better as pilots and their maintenance *that* much better that they are exempt from things going wrong?

Why is it that an aircraft can't have a civilian C of A after a Military one?

I'm not the fun police and don't pretend to be, but it does make me wonder every time I see this as the pilot will eject and not care for the aircraft and potentially where it ends up.
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I whole heartedly agree with VH-XXX.

Such reckless displays of stunt flying in high performance military aircraft should be tightly regulated and planned for.

Some serious questions need to be raised.

Was there any advance notice to the local residents of the afore mentioned display?

Were there any emergency service personnel in attendance to provide assistance should there be a malfunction or incident?

What prior planning was conducted and was there a risk mitigation study carried out by the air force prior to conducting the display?

Was the pilot appropriately trained to carry out such maneuverer's in close proximity to young, innocent children?

Were the children appropriately briefed on emergency procedures and evacuation assembly points prior to the display?

I for one, and I urge anyone else who is concerned, will be writing to my local member to demand some answers! In fact I will also be writing to my local media outlets too.

As VH-XXX had highlighted, engines do fail, particularly during aerobatics!!! Anyone just has to check the worldwide statistics for engine failures during normal operations vs aerobatics and you will see this frightening trend!!

Get writing people!
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I suppose you walk around wearing a Helmet too.

Better still why don't you stay in bed all day? Leave the World the those of us that want to "live"

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Dont feed the troll guys. Sad thing is he has spent the best part of 30 mins writing that tripe, 30 mins he will never get back.

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As VH-XXX had highlighted, engines do fail, particularly during aerobatics!!! Anyone just has to check the worldwide statistics for engine failures during normal operations vs aerobatics and you will see this frightening trend!!
Could you show me those statistics please.....Ta
Oh, and dont include pistons....Ta

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compylot's post is all that is wrong with the PC and over protection in Life today
Everything has to register zero risk in all facets of life. We are raising a generation of cottonwooled wusses who are not allowed to develop free thought and imagination. as well as developing allergies past generations never had. Remember the quote " you have to eat a yard of dirt before it hurt you". Everything now is wiped down with bacterial wipes, Kids aren't allowed to play outside (fresh air!!!!) and they now have weakened immune systems.
His post amazes me( I was going to say amuse, but it's not funny) when he asks
"Was the pilot appropriately trained to carry out such maneuverer's in close proximity to young, innocent children?" You've gotta be joking !!!!!!
I'm glad I'm on Final approach not just lifting off in Life. I see no adventurious or lighthearted future for generations to come, and that's Sad.
His view re enforced my view by his age on his profile.
Compylot you reap what you sow

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I'm glad I'm on Final approach not just lifting off in Life.
Hear Hear,,, for the same reason.

Compylot please tell me you are taking the p!ss

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I'm willing to accept that Compylot's post was tongue in cheek and it was amusing, bravo. I won't keep harping on other than to say I told you so, one day perhaps in a number of months, or a number of years.

Could you show me those statistics please.....Ta
Oh, and dont include pistons....Ta
Sure.

Turbine. Grumman F115a Tiger - Blue Angels - Turbine failure during display. Unhurt.

Piston. Pip Boorman. Fatality.

You only need to have hung around an aerobatic club to know that engines fail during aerobatics but how many of those are turbines anyway? Doesn't mean squat.
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