Turbulent Times for Light Aircraft in Tasmania
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Turbulent Times for Light Aircraft in Tasmania
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Turbulent times for light aircraft - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Tasmania's small aviation sector is struggling with increased costs and a drop in demand for charter flights.
TasAir folded in February and now the Southern Aero Club has decided to discontinue its pilot training.
Former club president Graeme Martin says it is not turning a profit.
"The last two or three years been constantly drawing down on our funds which is not a sustainable thing," he said.
The Chief Executive of the Regional Aviation Association, Paul Tyrrell, says nationally small airlines are also being hit by rising fuel and maintenance costs, combined with increased safety regulations.
"The industry's consolidating and the very small aircraft become uneconomical."
The Southern Aero Club will continue flights with two planes at Cambridge Airport, but only for member pilots.
Turbulent times for light aircraft - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Tasmania's small aviation sector is struggling with increased costs and a drop in demand for charter flights.
TasAir folded in February and now the Southern Aero Club has decided to discontinue its pilot training.
Former club president Graeme Martin says it is not turning a profit.
"The last two or three years been constantly drawing down on our funds which is not a sustainable thing," he said.
The Chief Executive of the Regional Aviation Association, Paul Tyrrell, says nationally small airlines are also being hit by rising fuel and maintenance costs, combined with increased safety regulations.
"The industry's consolidating and the very small aircraft become uneconomical."
The Southern Aero Club will continue flights with two planes at Cambridge Airport, but only for member pilots.
Pretty simple! Just shows how bloody bad the economy is in Tassie.
That debate attended by Jeff Kennet a few months ago, he was tongue in cheek arguing for Tassie , Victoria and South Australia should amalgamate into one state....He could well be closer to the truth than he thinks.
That debate attended by Jeff Kennet a few months ago, he was tongue in cheek arguing for Tassie , Victoria and South Australia should amalgamate into one state....He could well be closer to the truth than he thinks.
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TAS could chuck in the ACT as well, although that would probably make the bottom line worse. At least aviation would only have a local call to blame someone.
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The Electrolytic Zinc Company. Bell Bay Aluminium. The Titan factory.The wood chip industry. Cheap hydro electric power. Gunn's timber. The apple industry. The cray fish and scallop industries. The potato industry now being screwed. Etc Etc.
All aboloshed and demolished to appease the Greens.
Why would aviation survive?
All aboloshed and demolished to appease the Greens.
Why would aviation survive?
The Electrolytic Zinc Company. Bell Bay Aluminium. The Titan factory.The wood chip industry. Cheap hydro electric power. Gunn's timber. The apple industry. The cray fish and scallop industries. The potato industry now being screwed. Etc Etc.
EZ and Bell Bay were taxpayer funded (via almost free hydro) Gunns and the woodchips thrived on corruption, the apples were pulled by the government long before the greens had a single member and the overfishing was greed. Spuds ... ask Maccas.
This demise is in most part due to a better equipped better located competition who also happen to have a better and bigger plan.
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This demise is in most part due to a better equipped better located competition who also happen to have a better and bigger plan.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Hobart now with two start-up training providers, both with relatively deep pockets. Time for the comfy chairs and pop-corn me thinks.
Not just in Tassie....lets put in perspective.
What does $500 buy you? a quick comparison.
1. Not quite 2 hrs of flying training, in an aeroplane older than me without any modern avionics not including licence/medical fees and maps, charts etc
2. The complete basic open water dive certificate (5 day course)
3. 1 set of TAFE tuition fees for most semi professional qualifications (well it was when i did it)
4. A pc tablet
5. One weeks rent (in ACT)
These are just off the top of my head.
Now job prospects for a pilot....in Tassie? probably next to none. If you can make it to an airline, you will be one of the few. But most other professions and your mates who are plumbers and builders will be making more money then you and as a result have a better lifestyle.
FACT: There alot better ways to spend your hard earned money than throwing it up against the aviation wall. And the youth of today are beginning to realise it. Like it or not, the aviation dream for the next generation is dead.
My advice....get a good paying job, that allows you to blow upwards of 10,000 on a PPL and fly for fun. I haven't yet met anyone who has done this who hates flying. I have met heaps of people who have gone down a career path in aviation who wish they had done something else.
Just my 2 cents worth
What does $500 buy you? a quick comparison.
1. Not quite 2 hrs of flying training, in an aeroplane older than me without any modern avionics not including licence/medical fees and maps, charts etc
2. The complete basic open water dive certificate (5 day course)
3. 1 set of TAFE tuition fees for most semi professional qualifications (well it was when i did it)
4. A pc tablet
5. One weeks rent (in ACT)
These are just off the top of my head.
Now job prospects for a pilot....in Tassie? probably next to none. If you can make it to an airline, you will be one of the few. But most other professions and your mates who are plumbers and builders will be making more money then you and as a result have a better lifestyle.
FACT: There alot better ways to spend your hard earned money than throwing it up against the aviation wall. And the youth of today are beginning to realise it. Like it or not, the aviation dream for the next generation is dead.
My advice....get a good paying job, that allows you to blow upwards of 10,000 on a PPL and fly for fun. I haven't yet met anyone who has done this who hates flying. I have met heaps of people who have gone down a career path in aviation who wish they had done something else.
Just my 2 cents worth
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That debate attended by Jeff Kennet a few months ago, he was tongue in cheek arguing for Tassie , Victoria and South Australia should amalgamate into one state....He could well be closer to the truth than he thinks.
Unless of course the the bigger amalgamated bureaucracy ensures wealth/industry/jobs are redistributed to the areas that need some help. In the free market economy that doesn't happen does it?
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Alpha, I believe that is a very narrow minded way of looking at things.
I am almost GFPT'd however I am dead keen to make a career out of aviation, for no other reason than that I love to fly & I love aviation in general & if I can get paid for flying, no matter how pitiful the pay will be, then I will be happy. I would much prefer to be happy in my job than do something that makes me lots of coin but gives me no satisfaction whatsoever at all (which I'm currently doing!).
Yeah I know I'm going to cop "Just wait till you get a job and see how bad conditions/pay etc" is. Well its a fair point too, but you ppruners have opened my eyes as to what to expect so I think I am more than prepared!
Anyways, in saying all that, looks like I won't be finding a job in Tassie and I don't have a problem with that. It is a shame however to see the GA industry declining.
That's the Fat Man's ten cents worth. Now I will just duck for cover for the oncoming attacks
But hey! That's what makes this forum fun!
Stay Positive People!
I am almost GFPT'd however I am dead keen to make a career out of aviation, for no other reason than that I love to fly & I love aviation in general & if I can get paid for flying, no matter how pitiful the pay will be, then I will be happy. I would much prefer to be happy in my job than do something that makes me lots of coin but gives me no satisfaction whatsoever at all (which I'm currently doing!).
Yeah I know I'm going to cop "Just wait till you get a job and see how bad conditions/pay etc" is. Well its a fair point too, but you ppruners have opened my eyes as to what to expect so I think I am more than prepared!
Anyways, in saying all that, looks like I won't be finding a job in Tassie and I don't have a problem with that. It is a shame however to see the GA industry declining.
That's the Fat Man's ten cents worth. Now I will just duck for cover for the oncoming attacks
But hey! That's what makes this forum fun!
Stay Positive People!
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if I can get paid for flying, no matter how pitiful the pay will be, then I will be happy
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if I can get paid for flying, no matter how pitiful the pay will be, then I will be happy. I would much prefer to be happy in my job than do something that makes me lots of coin but gives me no satisfaction whatsoever at all
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So much negativity! And yes that's exactly what I meant to say, Paid in accordance with the award, thank you for picking that up 
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2 cents worth.
RW #1 - The Chief Executive of the Regional Aviation Association, Paul Tyrrell, says nationally small airlines are also being hit by rising fuel and maintenance costs, combined with increased safety regulations.
AC #8 - FACT: There a lot better ways to spend your hard earned money than throwing it up against the aviation wall. And the youth of today are beginning to realise it. Like it or not, the aviation dream for the next generation is dead.
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Elfatness....10 years ago, I was in your situation. And 10 years ago I held the same attitude. I wanted to fly no matter how much I had to give up or how much it cost me. I am definitely not going to criticize you for your point of view.....in alot of ways I envy you.
But make no mistake about it....it is easy for some to get the goal, and harder for others....and quite a few don't ever get there. You will miss out on alot, and much of it you won't realise until you stop down the track.
Don't get me wrong...flying for a living is awesome. But it comes at a cost. In recent years, fewer people are prepared to justify the cost. You may think my view is narrow minded.....but the flying training statistics speak for themselves.
But make no mistake about it....it is easy for some to get the goal, and harder for others....and quite a few don't ever get there. You will miss out on alot, and much of it you won't realise until you stop down the track.
Don't get me wrong...flying for a living is awesome. But it comes at a cost. In recent years, fewer people are prepared to justify the cost. You may think my view is narrow minded.....but the flying training statistics speak for themselves.
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Fair call too mate, coming from someone who has been there and done that. Totally understand. That is just my mind set right at this point in time. I love it and the day I actually get paid for it as opposed to forking out of my own pocket will be brilliant. Already had a mortage, didnt like that so I pissed it off. Happy to settle down later in life (early 40s perhaps) once steady income stream is reasonable and sorted (fingers crossed!! haha)
Anyways, sorry Ive taken this thread onto another tangent that what it was originally made for!
Happy Flying fellow ppruners!
Anyways, sorry Ive taken this thread onto another tangent that what it was originally made for!
Happy Flying fellow ppruners!
My advice....get a good paying job, that allows you to blow upwards of 10,000 on a PPL and fly for fun. I haven't yet met anyone who has done this who hates flying. I have met heaps of people who have gone down a career path in aviation who wish they had done something else.
Just my 2 cents worth
Just my 2 cents worth