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Old 10th Feb 2013, 00:14
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casa and Honesty!!

Here is another beauty:



Came up in a Senate Questions on Notice []Senate Committees – Parliament of Australia at question 155 and at "attachment" for full document.

Just engrish mr. casa!

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Grade 5 English Mr Up Into The Air, should be enough to understand the memo.
Considering that it was an internal memo one hopes the staff understood.
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Let's have a competition to see who can rewrite the above message in the clearest way with the least number of words. First prize to be sponsored by CASA :- 1 hardbound copy of all CASA rules and regulations. You may submit more than one entry. Who's going to have a go? Winner chosen by a vote in 3 days time.
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Let's have a competition to see who can rewrite the above message in the clearest way with the least number of words
If I was to attempt to interpret it, I'd say it means 'If you get information from anyone you mustn't tell them you won't use it.'

Sadly, it's clearly a legal arse-covering statement rather than a simple informative message. I can see why legal documents get so complex, eg:

"Were you aware you shouldn't make an agreement not to divulge this information?"
"Yes, but I didn't make an agreement, I gave him a nod and a wink."
"Ah yes, but as clearly stated in this Minute dated 27 July 2011, that would imply an agreement, would it not?"
"Take me away, guv, you got me.",

but f*#& me, that's no way to write operating rules. Of course you need the legal basis, but as anyone who has had to read a legal contract knows, the language can be damn near impenetrable sometimes.
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Old 10th Feb 2013, 02:28
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As a sentence, it's complete crap. A reasonable reader has to scan it several times to figure out which are the subjects, and which the objects. Plainer language, shorter clauses and a few dot points would make the message much clearer. It amazes me that legal folk can still peddle a mess like this and get paid for it.

And yes, the intention is pretty dubious, too!

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straightforward

In its SAFETY function it simply means that:

"CASA or anyone associated with CASA shall not communicate with anyone in a legitimate regulatory sense. any communication shall be in the normal illegitimate manner". (25 words)

There shall therefore be no "show cause notices" or "Christmas cards" or Licenses or AOC applied for or issued.

It is quite straight forward, no hiding behind excuses, business as usual.

I thought German and Dutch had long sentences! but this must be a world record for Engrish.

Should my entry be the winning one, what assurance have I got that I wont have to take the sponsor to Court?
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Old 10th Feb 2013, 03:12
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Egon Fice

wouldn't this be a great statement for Fice to decipher as he did in the "Direct Air" case, his decision only to be overturned in the Fed Court appeal on the basis of the "original intent" -

The original, "original intent" was the protection of a Duopoly under the Two Airline (Act) the hearing never got that far. Too much information for his Honour, CASA never raised it as it would only prolong the hearing and cost the "victim" more money! very considerate!

My earlier response clearly allows for such intent. Same has been established case after case - CASA's original intent has always been to get rid of their "victim"

"empty skies are safe skies"
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"empty skies are safe skies"
Nice one Mr van de Wiel
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Stwange is the JUL of 11 minute, that it is from The Office of Diwecter Aviation Safety to all Exec Managers, which I assume is The Execututive Diwecter, and cc to himself and the deputy Diwecter.

Why is he writing letters to himself?

Was this discussed over morning tea and why was it presented in minute form?

(no quorum perhaps)?

Just how many Diwercers do we need?

Weelly and twoolley, this is just too much!
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Just culture

Is that statement consistent with principles of a 'just culture'?

Say somebody reports an issue as concerned of a wider safer risk in the industry.

CAA reporting system defines 'Just Culture' | CAA Newsroom | About the CAA
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CASA or anyone associated with CASA shall not communicate with anyone in a legitimate regulatory sense.
So that is why I cannot get a straight answer
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"No one in CASA is ever to sign a confidentiality agreement or verbally agree to the same."

Sound principle, I've seen some real shockers. Usually the more bloodthirsty the penalties in the confidentiality agreement, the shonkier the proposal. People like the venture capital arm of N. M. Rothschild won't sign them either.
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Let's have a competition to see who can rewrite the above message in the clearest way with the least number of words
My interpretation, after 23 readings and only one fight with Mrs RA:

Oi, all yous CASA mob, don't promise nobody nuffing. (9 words)
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casa and the effect on commercial operations

Here's another one, just published on 20th February 2013:

Project AS 12/45
Post Implementation of the Airspace Regulations (2007)

Issue


The Airspace Regulations require amendment to remove ambiguity, enable applicability in the operational environment and to cater for the needs of Australia's security authorities.

Without action, the validity of the delegation powers in use could be questioned, the validity of the application of the ARs to certain security scenarios could be questioned and complicated systems of legislative action will continue to be required to achieve simple safety outcomes operationally.

Project Objective

To make amendments to the Airspace Regulations in two (2) phases:

PHASE 1:

Clarify the delegation powers:

The Airspace Regulation delegation powers are unclear and require amendment to remove all doubt. Regulation 13 should make specific that the powers may be delegated to CASA airspace regulation officers and Military airspace regulation officers.

Cater for the needs of Australia's Security Authorities:

The Airspace Act (Part 1, Section 3) identifies certain matters that are to be taken into account to ensure that Australian-administered airspace is administered and used safely. This includes "national security". This term is insufficient to cover the various security needs that the OAR has been requested by the Government to enforce through the exercise of the Airspace Regulations. The changes made will remove any ambiguity.

PHASE 2:

1. Legislative Instruments Regulations Exemption

An exemption is sought under the Legislative Instruments Regulations 2004, Schedule 1, Part 2 (1A) for designations/directions made under Regulation 11/12. Air Traffic Control (ATC) providers may describe air routes verbally if operationally required. The air routes which are legislated do not cover flex routes or those made verbally by ATC providers, and are therefore incomplete. Pilots may request any particular way of reaching a destination as ATC has the ability to approve this.

Therefore, registering a small and incomplete set of air routes is of little value. Aviation maps show the common air routes in use and this is sufficient as a guide. The changes proposed are in accordance with ICAO Annexes, the Airspace Act and the Australian Airspace Policy Statement.
I hope this one is clear as well - I won't read the docs as these will only confuse me further.

About time to get rid of this lot then???
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Another one for the Engrish:

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casa enlgrish please!!

Thanks to Compressor stall [http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...up-5500-a.html], try this:

61.370 Provision of photograph

(1) The holder of a flight crew licence commits an offence if:

(a) the holder exercises the privileges of the licence after the end of 10 years beginning:

(i) when the licence was granted; or

(ii) if the holder holds more than one flight crew licence—when the holder's most recent licence was granted; and

(b) the holder has not, before the exercise of the privileges, given CASA a photograph of the holder:

(i) showing the holder's full face and his or her head and shoulders; and

(ii) taken not earlier than 6 months before the end of the period mentioned in paragraph (a).

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

(2) An offence against this regulation is an offence of strict liability.

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casa enlgrish please!!

Here is another one, this time what is on the casa web site and what FF's CEO told the Senate inquiry in February.

See: CASA – Actions against Industry

Just have a look at who the author is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About this charter

The purpose of this Charter is to describe to the public and the aviation community, the service experience that can be expected in dealing with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) and its staff.

We have a responsibility to inform people about their rights and responsibilities, including the right to expect high standards of service and behaviour from CASA officers.

We believe that people who are better informed and have a clearer understanding of legislative requirements are better able to comply with the rules and regulations in the maintenance of air safety. This in turn will enhance aviation safety levels in Australia.

The CASA Service Charter sets out our feedback process, so that you can let us know how well we are implementing our Service levels and how we can improve our service to you.

The Charter also sets out our Complaints Handling procedure so that you can let us know if you are dissatisfied with the standards of service you have received or are unhappy with a decision made by CASA staff. We believe that it is in everybody’s interests to resolve complaints efficiently and effectively.

Reports on our performance against this Service Charter will be included in our Annual Report.

This Charter forms part of CASA’s strategic planning and reporting system, which is based on the Corporate Plan. It has been developed in accordance with the Whole of Government approach detailed in the Department of Finance and Administration publication ‘Client Service Charter Principles’.

It has been prepared in consultation with staff, other relevant agencies and a broad cross section of the aviation community.

We will seek stakeholders’ views on the Charter’s effectiveness on a regular basis and use this information to improve our services.
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Oh the wordiness..

and the crapspeak. Ggrrrr!!

This is how CASA persons and others while away their time, writing meaningless sh*te that nobody takes any notice of.

Millions of person hours and squillions of dollars for what. Its a bit like a dole office really paying people to do "pretend" work.

Benefit to the Common wealth is......????
Keeps them off the streets. Recycles tax funds. Any others??
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casa and Engrish

Another one for you all:

Post Implementation Review of CASR Part 99.B - Drug and alcohol management plans

Issue


In March 2009, Part 99 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 was introduced to cover drug and alcohol management plans (DAMP) and testing.

Since 2009, the initiative has been implemented by industry and oversighted by CASA. Since its original conception, there have been various implementation issues raised that require regulatory amendments to ensure transparency and continued high safety standards.

Issues to be addressed include but are not limited to:
  • Definition of safety sensitive vs safety critical activities/ roles that are required to be covered by DAMPs and DAMP testing
  • Definition of SSAA employee to be covered by DAMP
  • Definition of post-accident or serious incident as this affects testing requirements

DAMP responsibility and coverage issues e.g. contractors The Drug and Alcohol Education Program requirement - should CASA supply this program?
  • The requirement for pre-deployment testing
  • Ensuring DAMP testing is meeting the relevant Australian Standard
  • Should there be an industry requirement for random testing?
  • Reporting requirement from organisation to CASA following a confirmed positive test
  • Improving the return to work 'response program' model
These are primarily regulatory amendment issues to be clarified that will help increase regulatory understanding from industry. The amendments will also improve unnecessary costs and resourcing issues that are faced by DAMP organisation which will in turn increase compliance while maintaining the same safety standards.
The last para is a "doosey"

and those involved:

Project management

Project Leader/s: Sharon Nylen, DAMP Oversight Section Head, Industry Permissions
Project Sponsor/s: Peter Fereday, Executive Manager Industry Permissions
Dr Pooshan Navathe - Aviation Medicine Principal Medical Officer
Gerard Campbell, A/g Executive Manager Operations
Adam Anastasi, General Counsel and Executive Manager Legal
Standards Officer/s: Ian Banks, Manager SMS & Human Factors, Standards Division
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Project Leader/s: Sharon Nylen, DAMP Oversight Section Head, Industry Permissions
Project Sponsor/s: Peter Fereday, Executive Manager Industry Permissions
Dr Pooshan Navathe - Aviation Medicine Principal Medical Officer
Gerard Campbell, A/g Executive Manager Operations
Adam Anastasi, General Counsel and Executive Manager Legal
Standards Officer/s: Ian Banks, Manager SMS & Human Factors, Standards Division
Hmmmm. Some of the usual project persons in that lot!
It all sounds like a load of pony poohshan to me!

I am surprised one of the other bald Camberra'ites isn't involved in this project as a sponsor? The one who normally likes to surround himself with people who get their hands dirty while he wins all that accolades.

Anyway, its all bollocks.

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