Mobile refueling on private airfields
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Need some help here.
Our dropzone has a serial complainer living nearby and this month he has complained to council about our mobile refueling truck. We believe we comply but need to throw some paperwork back at council.
i have a 2 page doc from the EPA that seems to point out we are ok.
Is there anyone who has a mobile refueliing truck on a private airfield here that can help?
Also this clown has cost us and council a large fortune over the last 20 years and we have had enough any suggestions how to deal with him legally of course.
thanks in advance
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Our dropzone has a serial complainer living nearby and this month he has complained to council about our mobile refueling truck. We believe we comply but need to throw some paperwork back at council.
i have a 2 page doc from the EPA that seems to point out we are ok.
Is there anyone who has a mobile refueliing truck on a private airfield here that can help?
Also this clown has cost us and council a large fortune over the last 20 years and we have had enough any suggestions how to deal with him legally of course.
thanks in advance
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provide the Council with the Dangerous Good licence for the truck together with any QA/OPS manual stuff. all they need is something to hang their hat on.
That the dropzone with the camels over the fence???
That the dropzone with the camels over the fence???
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Bloody Llama Farmer 20 years worth of continuous complaints from him and council will still not class him as a serial complainer.
Yes council just asked for something to show him.
Yes council just asked for something to show him.
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Forgot to mention it is on private property only moved from concrete pad to near runway and back again at end of w/end. It is topped up by supplier and never leaves DZ. Any EPA issues. Tanker complies as mobile refueler.
Hmmm - I wonder if this serial complainer is related to the serial complainer that lives next door to me & is always bitching about my stereo being too loud?!
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Could be related to the one that complains to my work too.
She suggested the other week that the houses on the path of the other threshold pay higher rates and that's why we takeoff over her house.
I would have liked to suggest its because she purchased a house 500m almost directly on the centreline of a runway but I refrained
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She suggested the other week that the houses on the path of the other threshold pay higher rates and that's why we takeoff over her house.
I would have liked to suggest its because she purchased a house 500m almost directly on the centreline of a runway but I refrained
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Don't use a motorised tanker.
Use a simple trailer mounted portable tank. End of problem.
1. Towing Vehicle is a legal vehicle.
2. Trailer is a registered (or unregistered on private property) trailer.
3. The tank is just something sitting on the trailer (DO NOT bolt it down) it is an item merely being carried on the trailer from time to time.
Works for us.
4. Obtain at least one Harley Davidson motorcycle or a suitably modified car. Add some chainsaws to taste. At suitable and legal times conduct a "chorus".
..You want noise? THIS is noise!
Use a simple trailer mounted portable tank. End of problem.
1. Towing Vehicle is a legal vehicle.
2. Trailer is a registered (or unregistered on private property) trailer.
3. The tank is just something sitting on the trailer (DO NOT bolt it down) it is an item merely being carried on the trailer from time to time.
Works for us.
4. Obtain at least one Harley Davidson motorcycle or a suitably modified car. Add some chainsaws to taste. At suitable and legal times conduct a "chorus".
..You want noise? THIS is noise!
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You could tell Council simply to tell the muppet that as it's an airfield, and aviation fuel that they have requested further information from CASA and they expect a reply within the next 12 months. When he enquires in 11 months time for CASA's response they can reply that all the rules have changed and they expect a reply in the next 12 months.
He MIGHT just get the idea that they aren't interested.
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On a lil more serious note.
Truck doesn't have to be registered as its on private property.
However it prolly needs some form of insurance, whether on its own or under the airfield or drop companies cover.
Being a fuel dispenser, it prolly needs checking for accuracy/OH&S.
You already have your EPA docs.
Do NOT give copies of these docs to council, but invite them to inspect them. Having copies of said is none of their business.
They can then write the complainant a nice letter stating that they made enquiries, viewed all relevant documentation and have no problem/jurisdiction. If the complainant thinks otherwise, they can ask him for similar documentation for any fuel container and related dispensing equipment he has on his property...right down to the 2 litre fuel can that he has for his whipper snipper!
He MIGHT just get the idea that they aren't interested.
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On a lil more serious note.
Truck doesn't have to be registered as its on private property.
However it prolly needs some form of insurance, whether on its own or under the airfield or drop companies cover.
Being a fuel dispenser, it prolly needs checking for accuracy/OH&S.
You already have your EPA docs.
Do NOT give copies of these docs to council, but invite them to inspect them. Having copies of said is none of their business.
They can then write the complainant a nice letter stating that they made enquiries, viewed all relevant documentation and have no problem/jurisdiction. If the complainant thinks otherwise, they can ask him for similar documentation for any fuel container and related dispensing equipment he has on his property...right down to the 2 litre fuel can that he has for his whipper snipper!
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this is an old but roadworthy airport tanker. It is in service has all the stamps signs, fire ext, We do 3000lts a weekend of Jet A. Liability for it is covered.
It is parked on a concrete pad(no bunging) during the week and sits at the embarking area on the weekend. The only thing i have picked up on is the need for a 'spill kit' and a hazardous goods sign on the gate.
It is parked on a concrete pad(no bunging) during the week and sits at the embarking area on the weekend. The only thing i have picked up on is the need for a 'spill kit' and a hazardous goods sign on the gate.
Obtain at least one Harley Davidson motorcycle or a suitably modified car
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We had a trio of Warbirds over for our annual weekend fly-in last weekend, so will be watching the Letters to the Editor column of the local rag for the next few days for an epistle from Audrey Robb, our local serial contributer.
The local RAA flying school moved their drum and pump trailer from the usual prime spot but ALMOST managed to block a taxiway from five hangars in the place they left it. As the numbers were down, they had at least half an airfield to choose from. Some people....
(only thinking as far as their own needs again....
The local RAA flying school moved their drum and pump trailer from the usual prime spot but ALMOST managed to block a taxiway from five hangars in the place they left it. As the numbers were down, they had at least half an airfield to choose from. Some people....
(only thinking as far as their own needs again....
People who live near airfields have no right to complain about any safe, legal, aviation related activity (if the airfield was there first). In my opinion.
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Don't need a harley, we are renowned for our parties. We invite all the nice neighbours and his wife but not him. All the locals dislike him, even his late dog had no time for him. Even from a pup he would come and hang out with us untill the last person left. He would only answer to 'Jack' the name we gave him. When his time was due he made his way over to stay with us for his final hours. You would have to be a mean man if even your dog hated you.
You would have to be a mean man if even your dog hated you.
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Gotta concur with jas24 Ensure all approvals and paperwork are OK and let Council peruse them. If they're alright I don't know whether it would be harmful for the Council to copy the Approvals and systems in place.
Unfortunately this grub won't stop, he's been a wart on the butt of mankind with this Club for well over twenty years and I well know because I have been involved since the Operation moved to that location
They also own the land.
The Lhama Farmer is a leper in his own small Hamlet as well as a pain in the arse of the Council and every Ratepayer.
I left the Area some years ago, but the never ending saga continues. Surely the ratepayers have recourse for vexacious claims of a serial social outcast as it's not only costing this Organisation but the Ratepayers of this Area.
This Airstrip has been there since early to mid '60s well before this mongrel bought his place.
DF you might get even, but anyone who wrongs me or mine gets
LIFE +20 years
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Unfortunately this grub won't stop, he's been a wart on the butt of mankind with this Club for well over twenty years and I well know because I have been involved since the Operation moved to that location
They also own the land.
The Lhama Farmer is a leper in his own small Hamlet as well as a pain in the arse of the Council and every Ratepayer.
I left the Area some years ago, but the never ending saga continues. Surely the ratepayers have recourse for vexacious claims of a serial social outcast as it's not only costing this Organisation but the Ratepayers of this Area.
This Airstrip has been there since early to mid '60s well before this mongrel bought his place.
DF you might get even, but anyone who wrongs me or mine gets
LIFE +20 years
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I see it as harmful that you let any muppet councillor copy your documents.
Once they get a copy, they will make it their business to chase you down when renewals etc are due.
Perusal is permitted. Even stick em in a red folder marked something along the lines of Controlled Documents.
Councils are becoming more invasive upon our lives, and I have no faith whatsoever that any of these ladder climbers will hold your sensitive documents as Commercial In Confidence.
Another avenue of reply would be to list the items i.e :
Tanker Status:
Public Liability. Covered
Registration. Registered in the State of XXX, or Registration not required
Pump Condition. Safety test Current
Fire Suppression. Min req's exceeded, all equipment current on test.
etc
etc
I've found with these muppets, the less you say to them the better, but fill the response with a lot of fat and they will feel warm and fuzzy that you spent a lot of time and went out of your way to be helpfull. They'll forget that its minimum help.
You could also throw the the line back at them (keep an eye out for it) that said clown was observed using a tractor on his property with no visible Fire suppression on board, or no ROPES protection (LLAMA farmers love using old grey fergies...or any other cheap crap they can buy)
Maybe its about time council went and had a good look at his farm. Fight fire with fire maybe...send in worksafe inspectors....did he have his reflective vest on whilst operating the tractor. Was the sun out and he had no hat.
I kinda get a lil grumpy at this kind of muppetry.
Just have a look in melbourne. Darebin council (i think it's Darebin) are talking about quadrupling the rates for businesses like McDonalds on the grounds that it is unhealthy.
To echo something in todays papers letter section...
"Councils should get back to worrying about emptying bins and sweeping streets"
As for twats that buy then complain....the one at YCEM has to take the gold. He purchased a knoll next to the airfield, built his house and now complains about the aeroplane noise and actions. (he had one fly directly at his house during an emergency go-around, decided it was a deliberate action to intimidate him). The best part of this guys efforts are that as he owns the whole hill, he decided the best place for his home was on the airfield side. Then he went even further and orientated his multi-level glass faced open plan home so that it overlooks the airfield directly, because he liked the view did i call this guy a muppet or a clown?
Once they get a copy, they will make it their business to chase you down when renewals etc are due.
Perusal is permitted. Even stick em in a red folder marked something along the lines of Controlled Documents.Councils are becoming more invasive upon our lives, and I have no faith whatsoever that any of these ladder climbers will hold your sensitive documents as Commercial In Confidence.
Another avenue of reply would be to list the items i.e :
Tanker Status:
Public Liability. Covered
Registration. Registered in the State of XXX, or Registration not required
Pump Condition. Safety test Current
Fire Suppression. Min req's exceeded, all equipment current on test.
etc
etc
I've found with these muppets, the less you say to them the better, but fill the response with a lot of fat and they will feel warm and fuzzy that you spent a lot of time and went out of your way to be helpfull. They'll forget that its minimum help.
You could also throw the the line back at them (keep an eye out for it) that said clown was observed using a tractor on his property with no visible Fire suppression on board, or no ROPES protection (LLAMA farmers love using old grey fergies...or any other cheap crap they can buy)
Maybe its about time council went and had a good look at his farm. Fight fire with fire maybe...send in worksafe inspectors....did he have his reflective vest on whilst operating the tractor. Was the sun out and he had no hat.
I kinda get a lil grumpy at this kind of muppetry.
Just have a look in melbourne. Darebin council (i think it's Darebin) are talking about quadrupling the rates for businesses like McDonalds on the grounds that it is unhealthy.
To echo something in todays papers letter section...
"Councils should get back to worrying about emptying bins and sweeping streets"
As for twats that buy then complain....the one at YCEM has to take the gold. He purchased a knoll next to the airfield, built his house and now complains about the aeroplane noise and actions. (he had one fly directly at his house during an emergency go-around, decided it was a deliberate action to intimidate him). The best part of this guys efforts are that as he owns the whole hill, he decided the best place for his home was on the airfield side. Then he went even further and orientated his multi-level glass faced open plan home so that it overlooks the airfield directly, because he liked the view
did i call this guy a muppet or a clown?
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Unfortunately this Muppet is well versed in this sort of thing he knows his rights and laws and how far he can push them, He is also a jorno for the Singleton Argus. He is well conected to various people in Council. He also gets on every protest group in the area including those that are good development. Continually objects to any business development with in the village or immeadiate area.
Recently reported in the Argus on the 15th by another jorno about an application for Australian Skydiving to commence operations at Whittingham airstrip
[ There were twelve objections from nearby residents main concern noise and potential livestock injury. Defence dept had a whinge. but later verbally retracted.
Lama Farmer (named) gave council advice on what could be done to restrict operations to protect residents and to stop a repeat of community concern at Elderslie.
However none of the suggestions were taken on board in the final conditions of consent] small win for someone.
Now it has also been reported that singleton council is just about broke and should be in deficit before end of June. Due to huge court cost against Dep Mayor. I think i have just about worked out how much the Muppet has cost rate payers with his continual objections and crap over the years. and i should be able to swing council that if the whole thing don't stop we will go to court if needed to get the restrictions off the clubs operations. Slowly people are realising just how much income is put back into the area and we are winning them over slowly. wheels are in motion. we have 300 members and a skydiving community of over 6000. should get point or two across with that.
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Recently reported in the Argus on the 15th by another jorno about an application for Australian Skydiving to commence operations at Whittingham airstrip
[ There were twelve objections from nearby residents main concern noise and potential livestock injury. Defence dept had a whinge. but later verbally retracted.
Lama Farmer (named) gave council advice on what could be done to restrict operations to protect residents and to stop a repeat of community concern at Elderslie.
However none of the suggestions were taken on board in the final conditions of consent] small win for someone.
Now it has also been reported that singleton council is just about broke and should be in deficit before end of June. Due to huge court cost against Dep Mayor. I think i have just about worked out how much the Muppet has cost rate payers with his continual objections and crap over the years. and i should be able to swing council that if the whole thing don't stop we will go to court if needed to get the restrictions off the clubs operations. Slowly people are realising just how much income is put back into the area and we are winning them over slowly. wheels are in motion. we have 300 members and a skydiving community of over 6000. should get point or two across with that.
FH aka Robes
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