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I too saw them on the news but it was weird. The spokesman basically said we are sitting here ready to work so give us a call !
Quite bizarre really, I thought they had heaps of work?
Maybe they will indulge in some aircraft door operation training during their downtime?!
Quite bizarre really, I thought they had heaps of work?
Maybe they will indulge in some aircraft door operation training during their downtime?!
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So the sharpest knives in the draw are out again......Lets put it in perspective.
They have only had their AOC 8 days, so no surprise that if the department cant give you a kick off date you cant tell your customers.
They have been audited by two mining companies, over three separate locations. The auditor reports need to be completed, then approved at Board Level by the mining companies before kick off.
All of this takes time, which some of you think is instantaneous.
They have only had their AOC 8 days, so no surprise that if the department cant give you a kick off date you cant tell your customers.
They have been audited by two mining companies, over three separate locations. The auditor reports need to be completed, then approved at Board Level by the mining companies before kick off.
All of this takes time, which some of you think is instantaneous.
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'Instantaneous' is advisable in this industry, every day she sits idle she isn't making money!
Now, do the rest of us asking questions or making comments that arent 'blowing sunshine up JetGo's ass' and positive and touchy feely wrapped in a blanket of love going to be labelled 'cutlery' as well?
Now, do the rest of us asking questions or making comments that arent 'blowing sunshine up JetGo's ass' and positive and touchy feely wrapped in a blanket of love going to be labelled 'cutlery' as well?
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Board approval for an audit report?
If the audit is completed (apart from the report) and there are no major problems I would expect that they would be good to go. Of course there is the problem of practical drift if they haven't got every i dotted and T crossed the usual tendency is to go from just compliant to non-compliant in quick fashion. Hopefully that is not the case with JetGo.
It would be frustrating for them to be cooling their heels after all the work to get the AOC and then be waiting for the work to come in.
Besides, I thought they were already BARS compliant. That is the standard their bulk of their customers would be holding them to. Then again that may say more about industry confidence in the BARS standard.
It would be frustrating for them to be cooling their heels after all the work to get the AOC and then be waiting for the work to come in.
Besides, I thought they were already BARS compliant. That is the standard their bulk of their customers would be holding them to. Then again that may say more about industry confidence in the BARS standard.
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Regarding Audits and reports, do you honestly think any multinational listed company is going to sign a multi-million dollar service contract with any company (not only aviation) without all the due diligence required to satisfy their own corporate governance policy, before it even gets to a boardroom decision.
Instantaneous my arse, the only thing that happens instantaneously in this industry is the captain taking control when the FO buggers it up or the FO deciding which hostie is the target choice of the day.
Everything else takes time, policy, procedure, training, CASA approval...... you get my drift. So to answer Spike, CASA certification is the minimum standard, BARS accreditation is one thing (one size does not fit all), Hart is a totally different kettle of fish.
Let the JetGo boys and girls get on with doing their jobs, its a long hard road with no guarantees of success, time will tell.
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Instantaneous my arse, the only thing that happens instantaneously in this industry is the captain taking control when the FO buggers it up or the FO deciding which hostie is the target choice of the day.
Everything else takes time, policy, procedure, training, CASA approval...... you get my drift. So to answer Spike, CASA certification is the minimum standard, BARS accreditation is one thing (one size does not fit all), Hart is a totally different kettle of fish.
Let the JetGo boys and girls get on with doing their jobs, its a long hard road with no guarantees of success, time will tell.
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Somebody is a little bit sensitive!
It's aviation mate, harden the f!ck up!
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It's aviation mate, harden the f!ck up!
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"Regarding Audits and reports, do you honestly think any multinational listed company is going to sign a multimillion dollar service contract with any company (not only aviation) without all the due diligence required to satisfy their own corporate governance policy, before it even gets to a boardroom decision?"
If they are compliant at the exit meeting yes I do. There should be no surprises in the audit report because any auditor worth his salt would let the operator know at the exit meeting what is required so they can fix it as soon as possible. The board listens to advice of their SMEs.That is why they employ auditors and safety managers to ensure their third party suppliers are safe to use.
What might be the case is that the operator was not compliant at the exit meeting and the auditors are waiting for the corrective actions to be implemented before they are used.
I am not saying this the case with JetGo but many an operator has blamed the auditors for the delay when in fact it is because the operator was not compliant during the audit and are their taking time to implement the corrective actions.
If they are compliant at the exit meeting yes I do. There should be no surprises in the audit report because any auditor worth his salt would let the operator know at the exit meeting what is required so they can fix it as soon as possible. The board listens to advice of their SMEs.That is why they employ auditors and safety managers to ensure their third party suppliers are safe to use.
What might be the case is that the operator was not compliant at the exit meeting and the auditors are waiting for the corrective actions to be implemented before they are used.
I am not saying this the case with JetGo but many an operator has blamed the auditors for the delay when in fact it is because the operator was not compliant during the audit and are their taking time to implement the corrective actions.
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Gentleman....My life was easier when the last thread was closed!.. I don't see what the huge fuss is over Jetgo. We are simply another GA company trying to make living and provide jobs for pilots, flight attendants, engineers and the like. Yes we are operational, yes we have forward start dates ( from now)for various contracts. We purposely set forward start dates for clients as not to disappoint clients for a non performance in case our AOC was delayed. It just so happened we managed to get through the CASA process a few weeks ahead of schedule. We are now simply in preparation stages for normal operations. The rumors for the 2nd aircraft are correct and we should expect that on the ground in around 6 weeks time (VH-JGB.) We still need engineers and type rated crew if anyone knows anyone.. Again nothing special to see here guys, its not as though we are a GA company that's running space shuttles. and Lester you couldn't be further from the truth with that rumour my friend.
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Great to hear that JetGo management. I started this thread because there was very little information about since the AOC was granted. If I can make a suggestion, it would be great if your website was kept up to date, especially the media page. There is nothing better than hearing it from the horses mouth. On the approvals page keep the list up to date with maybe a bit about BARS standard? Just my two bobs worth.
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Will Do Spike... I know everyone's a bit skeptical (Although they should be a lot less now) I to would love to see the aircraft busy with add hoc flights before our contractual stuff, but it seems most charter is booked a few weeks in advance ( Unless its recovery job for someone).. Everyone will be pleased to know that over the next week you will the plane kicking off on a few jobs. Also , it seems there is a large inquiry base from New Guinea, but is going to be a while before we can operate there on a regular basis....
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Jetgo M, your are on a hiding to nothing justifying your business stratagem on here, there will always be those trying to undermine or hoping you fail.
Best of luck, hope it all goes well and you make money.
Best of luck, hope it all goes well and you make money.
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Hey Jetgo Management: just a quick response to your comment about rated crew and if anyone knew of any.
I know someone who applied who is type rated with coming up to 1000 hours on type and he heard back briefly but all has gone quiet!
He is still waiting to hear whats going on with the position and recently turned down a contract in Dubai as he was supposed to hear a month ago!
Hopefully you guys wont keep these guys hanging on without any info so that they dont miss an opportunity somewhere else. Only fair to be in touch......I think so anyway.
Good luck with the operation, looks good
I know someone who applied who is type rated with coming up to 1000 hours on type and he heard back briefly but all has gone quiet!
He is still waiting to hear whats going on with the position and recently turned down a contract in Dubai as he was supposed to hear a month ago!
Hopefully you guys wont keep these guys hanging on without any info so that they dont miss an opportunity somewhere else. Only fair to be in touch......I think so anyway.
Good luck with the operation, looks good
Hey guys, give Jetgo Management a break as he is most likely very busy sorting out clients and possibles so he does have a viable business before worrying about taking on more pilots.
Having worked with him many moons ago he is a good guy.
Having worked with him many moons ago he is a good guy.
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"so he does have a viable business before worrying about taking on more pilots."
If he is the businessman you say he is this would have (should have) been done months before putting his hand in his pocket (and possibly other's) to get the business started
If he is the businessman you say he is this would have (should have) been done months before putting his hand in his pocket (and possibly other's) to get the business started
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mmmm.... I'm mostly with propstop on this one. Starting a business is exciting but there's generally only one bite of the cherry. Do your dough at the start and there's almost no chance of bouncing back without a significant change of plan or outside assistance. In aviation it will be even less forgiving. I think these guys will (should) be very busy building their markets/ contracts/ relationships and getting their aircraft & crew fully utilised.
They need everything going their way right now to prove to the market they can deliver on a point of difference. What exactly that is I have no idea, but start ups without one in a maturing market don't survive. Workload would be astronomical right now, but that said, great communication is such a winner with staff, prospective staff & customers in this business. It builds loyalty & helps fortify one's business. Sometimes its the little things that aren't so little & can turn out to be your point of difference.
Putting aside the glaringly obvious, its impossible to ever know if your business will fly until you actually do it. What I would hope to see is a rapid ramp up of airframes, crew and operations before the year's out. Staying small is a really nice idea but without the economies of scale needed in such a capital intensive operation, the financials become too hard to sustain. Deep pockets are not a sign of success.
Now with one operating airframe, they have something to offer customers. If they wish to carve out a niche & stave off the competition as a stand alone business, my approach would be to get up a significant head of steam as soon as possible. Generally, the effort deployed in the first 6-12 months almost entirely decides the success of any start up or at the very least, the time needed to reach that point of sustainable, long term viability.
They need everything going their way right now to prove to the market they can deliver on a point of difference. What exactly that is I have no idea, but start ups without one in a maturing market don't survive. Workload would be astronomical right now, but that said, great communication is such a winner with staff, prospective staff & customers in this business. It builds loyalty & helps fortify one's business. Sometimes its the little things that aren't so little & can turn out to be your point of difference.
Putting aside the glaringly obvious, its impossible to ever know if your business will fly until you actually do it. What I would hope to see is a rapid ramp up of airframes, crew and operations before the year's out. Staying small is a really nice idea but without the economies of scale needed in such a capital intensive operation, the financials become too hard to sustain. Deep pockets are not a sign of success.
Now with one operating airframe, they have something to offer customers. If they wish to carve out a niche & stave off the competition as a stand alone business, my approach would be to get up a significant head of steam as soon as possible. Generally, the effort deployed in the first 6-12 months almost entirely decides the success of any start up or at the very least, the time needed to reach that point of sustainable, long term viability.