Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel
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electricity consumption per person is rising around 10% per annum
Perhaps the price rise has something to do with over grazing the paddock?
Perhaps not. I was wrong once. (that was the time I admitted I was wrong).
Aussie Bob, you're saying that the taxpayer-funded solar-PV boondoggle funds all went towards buying low-quality ****e...?
Frank, sady part of your power increase is due to the plethora of grid feed solar systems. Unfortunately the government dictated that the power companies must buy solar power from consumers at the retail price or higher. For just compensation the power companies were then allowed to charge everyone more. Much more ... In fact we pay more per kWh than most other folk in the western world and Jooliars tax will add more again.
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Indeed...........solar without STUPID subsidies, over the long term (total cost of ownership) and not paying the over inflated price like the 50-65c/kwh is not anywhere near viable.
When you consider the cost of install, cost of capital, cost of maintenace, the ROI is not so great is it. Do the numbers and be honest.
And if Aussie Bob is correct about the life span of new panels this is worse. The inverters are not a 25 year device, more like 7. Despite what they tell you in the adverts. I have been in the industrial control and inverter business for 24 years, believe me, the design life is not anywhere near what some folk claim.
Add to this a hail storm, or a lightning strike close by, corrossion and or other costs. The numbers get worse.
And when too many people in a given area are all pumping energy back to the grid, during the day when demand is lower in a housing area, you will pump less in than you hoped. Bugger again. I never thought of this, but a PV solar engineer did, and when he explained to me what is happening in some places I was quite surprised it had happened already.
Nobody mentioned that!
So just like Spain......we will soon see that while it works, it is not the great deal we were sold!
Government sponsored disasters.........
When you consider the cost of install, cost of capital, cost of maintenace, the ROI is not so great is it. Do the numbers and be honest.
And if Aussie Bob is correct about the life span of new panels this is worse. The inverters are not a 25 year device, more like 7. Despite what they tell you in the adverts. I have been in the industrial control and inverter business for 24 years, believe me, the design life is not anywhere near what some folk claim.
Add to this a hail storm, or a lightning strike close by, corrossion and or other costs. The numbers get worse.
And when too many people in a given area are all pumping energy back to the grid, during the day when demand is lower in a housing area, you will pump less in than you hoped. Bugger again. I never thought of this, but a PV solar engineer did, and when he explained to me what is happening in some places I was quite surprised it had happened already.
Nobody mentioned that!
So just like Spain......we will soon see that while it works, it is not the great deal we were sold!
Government sponsored disasters.........
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RAAA director Jim Davis is quoted in the latest AA edition as saying "The annual cost to RAAA members of the carbon tax, being imposed through an increase in the levy on aviation fuels, is estimated at over $20 million a year but it will bring no efficiency gains or reductions in emissions." (my bolding). That's right: estimated $20 million a year with absolutely ZERO environmental results to gain from it. That is why I call it a phoney tax!
$20 million seems like not that much to me. But per ticket, what's that, maybe $5. (>2 million pax a year with a roughly 50% revenue split bewteen pax and freight). Regional aviation has plenty of problems, the Carbon Tax will be barely a blip on the radar. I suspect Mr Davis has a philospohical objection. Couldn't possibly be John Sharp on the board of REX pulling the stings there?
And yes, I was talking about heavy transport.
Flying Binghi, don't make me quote the thousands of scientists that disagree with Mssrs Monkton, Bolt and Jones. One quote from one scientist. Next you'll be telling me smoking is good for you and vaccinations are bad because some other quack says so.
Europe is buggered essentially because they all refuse to pay tax. China and Korea,what can I say, if you don't believe, you don't believe. California is largely bankrupt because of the policies of the Republican Bush administration to do with energy. Not sure carbon pricing has anything to do with any of them.
Don't forget, both major parties have the same policy of CO2 reduction targets so don't think voting Lib suddenly means no policy of carbon reduction. The difference is with the Libs, it'll be your taxes going straight to polluters. You'll still pay, they'll just be paid for business as usual.
As Tony Abbott famously said "if you want to put a price on carbon why not do it with a simple tax".
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Flying Binghi, don't make me quote the thousands of scientists that disagree with Mssrs Monkton, Bolt and Jones.
Can't?
Don't worry none, not even ONE, of your 'thousands of scientists' can either.
'Clean energy' is a slogan...it doesn't exist. The closest example (hydro) is vehemently opposed by the lefty tree lovers*. Wind is an utterly sick joke.
Rusty 1970 your statements on Europe and California are so wrong as to be laughable.
The objection to the carbon tax is its added cost for ZERO result/benefit on any level...its a stupid tax imposed by morons.
* they stopped just hugging em years ago.
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Recently overheard:
And that describes the cold hard truth: most operators have a lot of inefficiencies, simply because nobody has properly thought about the savings to be had.
Yes, they could find those savings without a tax, but they weren't. Hopefully a tax or ETS will inspire more to do so.
"<RFDS call sign>: You used to always fly this segment on FL160, but recently it's been FL180, why's that?"
"Saving fuel, it's all about the carbon foot print".
Yes, they could find those savings without a tax, but they weren't. Hopefully a tax or ETS will inspire more to do so.
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Baswell, with aeromed being exempt from the carbon tax on fuel I think you will find that what you heard would have been an entirely 'tongue-in-cheek' comment from the said RFDS callsign. They have good reason for flying at lower level on sectors which could be flown higher. Maintaining a sea level or close to sea level cabin for patient considerations would one reason. Maybe he is now flying a newer machine of the same type (new PC12 or King Air most probably) which has a bit better performance and can manage a higher altitude on the said short sector. Either way I betcha carbon footprint has got nothing to do with it...
Will Aeromed be exempt from the excise increases? Because that is what they are calling it...not Carbon Tax but Excise...
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Captain: that doesn't invalidate the argument. If they did this to simply save fuel, regardless of carbon tax then it proves there are savings to be had everywhere if you look for them.
And like Clare Prop pointed out, I don't think they can claim the extra excise back.
And like Clare Prop pointed out, I don't think they can claim the extra excise back.
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Turds in Swimming pools
Jabawocky, I love the cartoon. The Carbon Tax is not the only turd in the swimming pool though. "A turd in the hand of a turd" comes to mind. Seems to have given Bob a case of "wind" also.
Looks like Julia is thinking of ways to try and polish the thing....
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Captain: that doesn't invalidate the argument. If they did this to simply save fuel, regardless of carbon tax then it proves there are savings to be had everywhere if you look for them.
Now, stay high, reduce fuel burn and have more headwind = stay in the air longer and burn more fuel or go low and go go go and burn more fuel? Will the new mantra be 'safety and carbon footprint before schedule?' Hmm...
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BP Solar, BP Monocrystalline Solar Panels
Now how long the cheap and nasties last and how well they perform is anyones guess. But I think you can guess, Less!
I should post a copy of my post from another thread, it applies here too!
Now how long the cheap and nasties last and how well they perform is anyones guess. But I think you can guess, Less!
I should post a copy of my post from another thread, it applies here too!
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Talking about Carbon Tax with Mrs Jaba last night who is frustrated at the ammount of BS she will have to deal with in trying to minimise the effect of $28M worth of carbon tax, and that depending on what use the fuel has it is either taxed or exempt. And then when credits go on the open market etc.....
We estimate the cost in admin alone to just her operation will be at least $1M. All for zip, nothing naught!
Now add the overhead at the ATO, and the various Canberra Castles, this is total and utter madness.
We are shooting ourselves in the ar$e over and over. The underlying economy here is almost dead. It is stuffed, the worst many have seen in 30 years. Watch this space.
We estimate the cost in admin alone to just her operation will be at least $1M. All for zip, nothing naught!
Now add the overhead at the ATO, and the various Canberra Castles, this is total and utter madness.
We are shooting ourselves in the ar$e over and over. The underlying economy here is almost dead. It is stuffed, the worst many have seen in 30 years. Watch this space.
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BP Solar, BP Monocrystalline Solar Panels
OK, I'll admit they will also expect some people not to notice and claim, but overall it just shows how good this stuff is becoming.
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