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Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel

Old 9th May 2012, 12:11
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It's 2012. We shouldn't be burning things to make electricity.

Only $$ will force change.

Then there will be more oil to burn in our flying machines.
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Old 9th May 2012, 12:48
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I don't think the GST is that great, but at least lil johnny howler had the cajones to take it as a policy to an election
True, although to be fair to Julia when she said there was to be no carbon tax was it a core promise or non core promise? "Never ever be a GST" ring a bell anybody?
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Old 9th May 2012, 12:55
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Strim,

IF we can 'grow it', and then burn it in our 'flying machines', then I reckon I would say 'that is sustainable'.....and, GO FOR IT!!

BUT, forgive us the taxes that simply put us out of business...

And, if ya worried about the so called 'carbon' that 'WE' are supposed to be putting into the atmosphere...there have been 'Geological Periods' in the past where the carbon in the atmosphere was MUCH MUCH MORE than it is now.

Do you know, that a looong time ago (Admittedly..), OZ was covered in ICE??

And, at another time, OZ was covered in 'Tropical Vegetation'..??

Maybe 'WE' are simply in the middle of an 'ongoing process'....

IF you don't believe that, do a bit of research and find out just how 'ULURU' came to be where it it ....and why..??

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Old 9th May 2012, 12:55
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The reality is that the Carbon Tax will have a negligible cost on most of us, including Aviators.

We need to do reduce the use of carbon based energy sources and the conventional economic wisdom is that making it dearer will encourage people to consume less.

The net financial cost for most of us will be less than five bucks a week.
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Old 9th May 2012, 12:55
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Really Baswell?

I don't mind paying my taxes. Taxes serve to provide services. Basic principle. Even a dumb tin basher like me can understand that.

The govmints (thanx griffo) budget has allocated a coupla hundred million for dental health. The ONLY people that will benefit from that are collingwood supporters (thanx Gold FM). I WON'T see a brass razoo of that...despite my need. Kaz3g and metalman2 know me personally, and they will back me up that I could use some of that govmint assistance.

I dropped my private health cover some time ago. Dental health has long been an issue of mine, so when i took private cover, i chased down one with the best cover in that area. After spending $1400 per year for said cover, my fangs are still screwed, even after the health insurance paid its bit, i still couldn't afford the work needed to be done.,,,and that work is due to a failed govmint trial on dealing with what is now known as ADHD..or some other similar chemical code.


You can take your support for this tax and shove it up your kyber. I see nothing in it to help ALL Australians, and it gives a sour lip service to helping the environment.
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Old 9th May 2012, 12:57
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The reality is that the Carbon Tax will have a negligible cost on most of us, including Aviators.

We need to do reduce the use of carbon based energy sources and the conventional economic wisdom is that making it dearer will encourage people to consume less.

The net financial cost for most of us will be less than five bucks a week.

You're f*cking dreaming dude.
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Old 9th May 2012, 13:01
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"Never ever be a GST" ring a bell anybody?
Bloody oaf it does. Paul Keating took that to an election. Howler promised otherwise...with a whole boatload of sweeteners and beat him on it. Like i said earlier (and i hate howard) at least he had the balls to be honest about his plans to get elected upon
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Old 9th May 2012, 13:23
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Money milking soul destroying political turds.

F#ck Gillard and her motley crew of blood sucking spin producing parasites.

Interesting to see a couple of people talking GST figures of 11% and 13%. Don't laugh, it will end up happening. These turds (Labor an Liberal) don't give a damn about the impact on the aviation community, it's subsidiaries and the flow on effect any incoming or potential change will have on the broader sector of business throughout this country. No decisions these grubs make ever impacts them. Politicians receive some of the following perks:

Special superannuation entitlements so that any changes that effect you and I remain just that - changes that negatively affect you and I, they the Politicians, remain free from any grief, different rule set.
Carbon tax and it's effect on electricity - No problem! Politicians receive generous allowances and entitlements in which electricity costs at their personal residence are met, by the taxpayer of course, under the pretense that
the Pollie does 'work from home'.
Fuel - Aagh yes that old chestnut. A bit of pre election ACCC hocus pocus sees the Ranga flexing her miniscule muscle against the so-called nasty oil barrons and their amazing ability to rip us off blind. More political bullshit, the government reaps a filthy amount of revenue from fuel, and the higher it is priced the more they reap. But don't panic, Pollies get free cars and don't pay for servicing, fuel, rego, insurance, tyres, nor do they lose money through depreciation, so hell yeah let's go for it boys and let's increase rego and let us allow insurance to skyrocket because we, the Pollies, don't have to pay anything!
Now, job losses, everywhere - Industry is bleeding and jobs are dissapearing everywhere. But hey, who cares, Politicians don't cut back staff, you dont see a reduction in the Senate or in Minister numbers do you? Of course not. And as
for paycuts, think again. If a Politician enters a higher personal income tax
bracket they shuffle the deck and raise their 'living away allowances' and a host of other 'payments' to 'compensate' for the loss. No surprise really, but us lowlifes don't get that same privilege now do we?

So as has been said many times throughout history human government is filled with self indulging, lying deceptive sh#tbags.
Thanks for nothing vermin.

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Old 9th May 2012, 13:42
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gobbles, you echo my thoughts very well.
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Old 9th May 2012, 13:46
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You do realise, that Keating (as much as I do love him) set the bar of Small Business = 50 employee's or less.

Unlike the current muppets, he at least recognised us! In reality, small business accounts for almost 80% of employment in this country.


I know i bagged ozzies who's favourite passtime is bagging their homeland, but the short story is, that the ONLY thing keeping me in australia is my parents.
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Old 9th May 2012, 14:03
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I love this country as well, warts an all.
I am just nauseated by the direction this place us being taken by consecutive terms of utter mismanagement.

Back to the thread.........
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Old 9th May 2012, 14:05
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i thought this was the thread.

you are nauseated? only that? I cannot think of a word that describes my feelings without using f*ck as 90% of the sentence
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Old 9th May 2012, 14:09
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The thread relates to the impact of Carbon Tax on Avgas.

The short answer is not much of a difference.
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Old 9th May 2012, 14:13
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don't worry. if dillard gets her way, avgas will represent 95% of your hire charge
and the poor old lames will be asked to take a paycut to keep GA affordable!


What LAME's are paid in the GA sector is a total joke!
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Old 9th May 2012, 22:55
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Nahh not much, wild guess off the top of my head, jumbo load of kero maybe $12,500 every time she sucks up from the hydrant.

Now with the usual costs of doing business that is a big slug on top. Multiply this by every load every day.
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Old 10th May 2012, 00:40
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the short story is, that the ONLY thing keeping me in australia is my parents.
Sounds like you have done your research, so tell me, things would be better in which country? And why?
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Old 10th May 2012, 00:46
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Socialism is a very attractive political theory until there's no more OP money to support it.
happy days,
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Old 10th May 2012, 01:06
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Socialism is a very attractive political theory until there's no more OP money to support it.
Are you calling this current Government socialist?
Be reds under the beds next.
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Old 10th May 2012, 01:28
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Socialism is a very attractive political theory until there's no more OP money to support it.
One can also say that corporatism (which is where we are now, capitalism isn't the correct term anymore) is a very attractive economic theory until all the money has been accumulated by only a few and nobody else has any money left to buy anything from them. (US being a good example of that)

So maybe we need to find a good balance between the two systems?
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Old 10th May 2012, 01:29
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Nahh not much, wild guess off the top of my head, jumbo load of kero maybe $12,500 every time she sucks up from the hydrant.
The figure you quote is a percentage of how much upload?
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