A question for IFR Charter guys
For my cat of aircraft and the places I generally go, circling height is up around 1000-1100 ft.
Anyway there is no debate here. If you meet the regs descend, if not, don't. Straight forward.
Jack : Agreed.
Anyway there is no debate here. If you meet the regs descend, if not, don't. Straight forward.
Jack : Agreed.
Jack Ranga is spot on I reckon (not the first time)...
Why we persist with third world nav systems and circling in Australia (or elsewhere for that matter - except maybe the third world ) in 2012 is utterly beyond me and beyond logic. Besides being safer, RNAV - particularly GNSS - is affordable to any half sensible operator and should be mandated. Operators love to carry on about the cost, but the fact is they actually pay for themselves in many ways. Saying you can't afford compliant RNAV equipment in a commercial (IFR) aircraft is admitting you have not got a fu***ng clue. Just my opinion. Pretty strong one though...
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Why we persist with third world nav systems and circling in Australia (or elsewhere for that matter - except maybe the third world ) in 2012 is utterly beyond me and beyond logic. Besides being safer, RNAV - particularly GNSS - is affordable to any half sensible operator and should be mandated. Operators love to carry on about the cost, but the fact is they actually pay for themselves in many ways. Saying you can't afford compliant RNAV equipment in a commercial (IFR) aircraft is admitting you have not got a fu***ng clue. Just my opinion. Pretty strong one though...
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Sorry, slight thread drift here, but while we are talking about approaches.
Flying around yesterday, i could not believe the number of airliners going into ML yesterday, all being asked on Centre whether they would like the RNAV or the NDB for Rwy 16 (ILS was out of action) and the majority where asking for the NDB. I know they are both runway aligned in this case, but seriously, the NDB
Surely the airlines of Australia have the ability to carry out an RNAV approach??
Flying around yesterday, i could not believe the number of airliners going into ML yesterday, all being asked on Centre whether they would like the RNAV or the NDB for Rwy 16 (ILS was out of action) and the majority where asking for the NDB. I know they are both runway aligned in this case, but seriously, the NDB
Surely the airlines of Australia have the ability to carry out an RNAV approach??
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Flying around yesterday, i could not believe the number of airliners going into ML yesterday, all being asked on Centre whether they would like the RNAV or the NDB for Rwy 16 (ILS was out of action) and the majority where asking for the NDB. I know they are both runway aligned in this case, but seriously, the NDB
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Personally I read the AIP stating a missed approach must be executed if entering cloud during a circling approach.
AIP ENR 1.5
1.10.1
e) visual reference is lost while circling to land from and instrument approach.
Note 1: For the purpose of this paragraph "visual reference" means the runway threshold, or approach lights or other markings identifiable with the landing runway clearly visible to the pilot and;
a) for circling approaches, clear of cloud, in sight of the ground or water and with a flight visibility not less than the minimum specified for circling.
I may be wrong with my interpretation of the rules... I wil stand corrected if so.
defiant.
AIP ENR 1.5
1.10.1
e) visual reference is lost while circling to land from and instrument approach.
Note 1: For the purpose of this paragraph "visual reference" means the runway threshold, or approach lights or other markings identifiable with the landing runway clearly visible to the pilot and;
a) for circling approaches, clear of cloud, in sight of the ground or water and with a flight visibility not less than the minimum specified for circling.
I may be wrong with my interpretation of the rules... I wil stand corrected if so.
defiant.
