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YEAR 12 for airlines

Old 21st Jan 2012, 08:51
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YEAR 12 for airlines

Hello, ive been searching on the forum for this answer, but cannot seem to find it anywhere, so any help will be much appreciated.

I completed year 12 in 2007, but back then i did not consider a career in the airlines and thus did not do year 12 maths.

Most, if not, all airlines require a pass in yr 12 maths and english. How relevant and strict is this? If for example you have 2000+ hours, do they over look that? Or is it a requirement regardless of experience?

I ask because im considering doing one of the QANTAS approved maths bridging courses and just would like to hear the more experienced pilots advice. Thanks!
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 09:14
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Get it and get it now.

Whilst not all airlines require it, education is education and a sound understanding of mathematics is a must for an above average pilot.
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 09:16
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Most of the airlines who have that requirement, rightly or wrongly, use it to screen, they will look to see if you tick the various boxes (one being year 12 maths) and if you don't your resume goes in the bin, even if you have 20 space shuttle landings and were an ace top gun.

You can probably find 1,000 posts here debating whether or not this is fair, but it is the situation. Get the pass and you'll be fine.
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 09:56
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Thanks guys. I guess ill have to do it. Damn it lol ive almost finished the ATPLs. Heading up to Kunnaz once the ATPLs are done and ill do the maths B course by corespondance. Wish me luck!
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 10:23
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Personally I don't know how you expect to fly an aeroplane without an understanding of calculus maths and physics. You don't need the build the damn thing but you do need to know what the hell is going on. Honestly you are going to struggle if you don't have some understanding at that level.

Most Airlines in Asia, USA and Europe require a degree level qualification to get in so be thankful that Australia doesn't
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 10:50
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Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Wally I have been working in airlines for just on 20 years with "just" year 10 (or fourth form, as we used to call it).

The reality is that all you need is a sound, basic understanding of high school maths in this industry.

Airlines use education (HSC) purely as a screening tool. There are still a few enlightened airlines left in Australia that place higher emphasis on the individual as a whole, as opposed to purely education.

Unfortunately, Speedbird, to have the best chance of scoring an airline gig in AUS, you will need year 12 maths.
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 12:07
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Unfortunately I think most of the above sentiments are correct. You will most likely need to pass high level year 12 maths. High grades may give you the edge with some employers. But speaking from experience, there's certainly no need to ace it. As for calculus, once you've passed the maths course, don't worry too much about that stuff with respect to flying. I doubt you'll ever see it again. Make sure you have a sound understanding of trigonometry and percentage calculations. Other than that, it's all three times tables.

You don't have to be a whizz at high level maths to be a good pilot. However, being good/quick with numbers will free up your mental capacity for other tasks. For those who aren't naturals, this will come with practice, practice, practice.

And once you get in, don't stop using that ol' grey matter in favor of a Casio. Use it or lose it! It's amazing how many pilots I've seen lose the ability to do basic calculations promptly and accurately, simply because they've been relying on an electronic calculator.

Good luck! Just keep thinking of the end result!
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 22:02
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I didn't complete the level of maths that the airlines want. Basically I did struggle with the "pure theory". It wasn't until I started learning to fly, that it actually made sense!

IMO, thats one of the biggest problems at school. They teach "pure theory" and don't really apply it to anything useful in the real world. When you start applying it to something that interests you, it becomes much clearer!
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Old 21st Jan 2012, 23:55
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the only maths you need to know!!

you see the trend??
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 00:01
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Just the other day I'm glad I passed Yr12 maths.

Had to run through a Tan graph, coming in on the RNAV approach, after working out 4X^3 + log base 10^4 - 3c...........
Had to ensure that I wasn't going to be busting anything!

In all seriousness, i've never had to use anything from year 12 maths. Exam done (passed somehow) and DELETE button pushed (or more correctly opened!)
Pointless, but has to be done unfortuantely to meet the criteria for most places.
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 00:39
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I found the old 2 x 3.14158 x r used to come in handy for profiling on an arc.

Or the square root of 1.5 times the altitude for VHF reception.

But apart from that it's mainly conversions between weights and the old 3 x profile.

The Metro was a good conversion aircraft, pounds to litres, gallons to pounds, litres to kilos - was pretty easy for a new FO to cock up refueling, I did it once in a big way much to the chagrin of my pmsing skipper :P
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 07:37
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Well Speedy if you have the time and the cash try Steve Holding. Good courses and all approved, four (intensive) weeks for year 12 maths. Dr Steven Holding - Aeronautical Mathematics - Aeronautical Physics - Aptitude Testing Qantas - Pilot Aptitude Test - Cadet Pilot Aptitude Test - Qlink Pilot Aptitude Test - Jetstar Pilot Aptitude Test - V Australia Pilot Aptitude Test - Cathay Pacif
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 07:41
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Well, goblin. I just use a simple 1:60 for the arc, and it works well for my 4th Form maths
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 14:35
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Might not need all the complexities that you learn for Year 12 maths in everyday flying but in my opinion the better pilots I've seen have good basic mental abilities.

The airlines need to see that you learn quickly and apply what you learn. So the boffins in HR have determined that passing Year 12 shows that the candidate might have what it takes. Need to remember that airlines are run by business type managers these days.

If you head overseas, you'll need at least a high school education if not a degree to get a work permit in some countries.
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Old 23rd Jan 2012, 20:53
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Sounds like they look for a PROVEN ability to learn. You can learn it on the fly (pun?), but if you've passed Y12 maths (and other stuff), or a degree, you have PROVEN ability to learn.

Some people just dont get it and the airlines probably dont want to invest in them.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 12:52
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And wha about a IV Certificate and Advanced Diploma?
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Old 25th Jan 2012, 02:26
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Year 12 Discrete maths is p!ss easy! Don't bother with Calculus, it's not a requirement.

You have the motivation, so it will not be a problem.

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