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a couple of questions
While we are talking about clogging airways. Is it really necessary to say 'request 10 miles left (to avoid weather)' I mean what else could you be diverting around that ATC didn't already know about...I could be wrong, I mean maybe a giant version of Dr Manhattan just appeared to battle Ozymandias or perhaps Godzilla is running amok and you want to get the hell out of his fire breathing terror as he thwarts Mothra.
Also why on earth would you cancel SARWATCH in the circuit. You're still in the air. Personally that's pretty much the most critical time I want someone looking out for me! Regardless of the fact that I'm "in contact" with some company stooge who wouldn't know what to do if we didn't actually land.
I recently heard some dude request cancel SAR as his "landing was assured"....I wish I was that positive all the time.
And what the hell is "departed at this time"...What time is that! I might be in a worm hole and think you were next to me and I sure as hell don't want to merge with you when I come out.
I once heard a guy request a visual approach to a non towered aerodrome from ATC and they said "sure, if your visual".
Either way it all makes me laugh and I don't get it right every time anyhow.
Also why on earth would you cancel SARWATCH in the circuit. You're still in the air. Personally that's pretty much the most critical time I want someone looking out for me! Regardless of the fact that I'm "in contact" with some company stooge who wouldn't know what to do if we didn't actually land.
I recently heard some dude request cancel SAR as his "landing was assured"....I wish I was that positive all the time.
And what the hell is "departed at this time"...What time is that! I might be in a worm hole and think you were next to me and I sure as hell don't want to merge with you when I come out.
I once heard a guy request a visual approach to a non towered aerodrome from ATC and they said "sure, if your visual".
Either way it all makes me laugh and I don't get it right every time anyhow.
Yep good post
By the way, CX changed our manuals 5 years ago to remove the requirement to report leaving/maintaining a Level whilst Radar identified. I haven't made such a call in Oz since then and haven't been told off!! In my hours and hours of listening in whilst droning over Oz I hardly ever hear any Oz operators do so either. It is the 21st century after all!!
Progress!!
This is all mute anyway, give it 10 years and it will all be CPDLC!!
By the way, CX changed our manuals 5 years ago to remove the requirement to report leaving/maintaining a Level whilst Radar identified. I haven't made such a call in Oz since then and haven't been told off!! In my hours and hours of listening in whilst droning over Oz I hardly ever hear any Oz operators do so either. It is the 21st century after all!!
Progress!!
This is all mute anyway, give it 10 years and it will all be CPDLC!!
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If you tend to look closer at the requirements for operating into and put of MILITARY aerodromes, they require you state POB on initial Taxi call! Darwin is a dual military/commercial aerodrome and that is why they controllers are asking you to state your POB... Devosh!
Also I sometime operate a pressurised aircraft, VFR at flight levels below FL180. when you think no one is listening to craft, think again... it is a requirements for our company to listen to both CTR and CTAF FREQUENCIES when able. So when I'm on decent from FL150 to my CTAF at 25NM, chances can be that I'll conflict with outbound Metro traffic departing for a hop skip jump at FL120, on my decent.
So Yes... it can and does happen. Just because you cruise above 10000ft doesn't mean your oblivious to what's happening underneath you.
Simple answer just say the FL on climb to. How hard is it! Maybe I'll start saying "climbing altitudes" when I depart a CTAF and see how the traffic inbound takes it. I'm sure the radioactivity will get clogged then!
Also I sometime operate a pressurised aircraft, VFR at flight levels below FL180. when you think no one is listening to craft, think again... it is a requirements for our company to listen to both CTR and CTAF FREQUENCIES when able. So when I'm on decent from FL150 to my CTAF at 25NM, chances can be that I'll conflict with outbound Metro traffic departing for a hop skip jump at FL120, on my decent.
So Yes... it can and does happen. Just because you cruise above 10000ft doesn't mean your oblivious to what's happening underneath you.
Simple answer just say the FL on climb to. How hard is it! Maybe I'll start saying "climbing altitudes" when I depart a CTAF and see how the traffic inbound takes it. I'm sure the radioactivity will get clogged then!
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Jepp Atc AU-207 1.1
Operations into controlled airspace... pilot action and related activity in civil AND military controlled airspace.
Then... just below.
1.2.3.1 PIC for IFR flight MUST provide ATC with number of POB when requesting Taxi Clearance.
Divosh... there you have it.
Operations into controlled airspace... pilot action and related activity in civil AND military controlled airspace.
Then... just below.
1.2.3.1 PIC for IFR flight MUST provide ATC with number of POB when requesting Taxi Clearance.
Divosh... there you have it.
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This thread isn't supposed to make people bitter and twisted about themselves or others with simple radio calls.
It's just some handy tips and pointers for those who want to fine tune their calls to be be as close to correct as possible, with details on references for further reading.
It's just some handy tips and pointers for those who want to fine tune their calls to be be as close to correct as possible, with details on references for further reading.
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DiVosh, great post.
Educated, now that's very funny.
Someone on a soap box spruiking "facts" is hardly educated.
Hold Short, I know who you are in the real world, you should not be spruiking anything to anybody.
Oh really ?, POB is not required for RPT, thats a piece of the puzzle that he is missing, along with many other pieces.
Dick waving, like many of the posts above makes pprune far less fun than it could be.
Educated, now that's very funny.
Someone on a soap box spruiking "facts" is hardly educated.
Hold Short, I know who you are in the real world, you should not be spruiking anything to anybody.
Knowing the AIPs and their requirements doesn't make him a village idiot - it makes him educated.
Dick waving, like many of the posts above makes pprune far less fun than it could be.
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no POB details for RPT
Hold short,
I could not find that page in my Jep, however I did find in ATC AU-701 1.2.3.2 effective 2 Jun 11: 'For IFR flights operating as other than RPT, the pilot-in-command must provide ATC with the number of POB when requesting taxi clearance.'
I suspect you have an old page that has been updated. You may also find further down on that page that there was no requirement for RPT to comply.
Cheers
I could not find that page in my Jep, however I did find in ATC AU-701 1.2.3.2 effective 2 Jun 11: 'For IFR flights operating as other than RPT, the pilot-in-command must provide ATC with the number of POB when requesting taxi clearance.'
I suspect you have an old page that has been updated. You may also find further down on that page that there was no requirement for RPT to comply.
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Someone on a soap box spruiking "facts" is hardly educated.
If ATC continuously did it you'd all be up in arms. Everyone has a slip up, but not bothering to learn, or deliberately not using, correct R/T is just plain slack. At least you think you sound so cool on the radio...the majority listening think you sound like a joker.
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So we've got the 'be a polished, knowledgeable pilot and keep your calls as closely in line with AIP as possible' group, versus the 'you're being ridiculously pedantic, look at the big picture, if the communication is clear and understood then what's the difference' group...
(personally, 'taxies' gives me the ****s, as does 'climbing flight levels'... but then, I have no problem with 'cancel SAR', nor with 'request 5 miles left of track due weather'
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(personally, 'taxies' gives me the ****s, as does 'climbing flight levels'... but then, I have no problem with 'cancel SAR', nor with 'request 5 miles left of track due weather'
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That's right 'mm2' gotta luv this site & this pedantic thread subject has almost reached a 100 posts in only a few days!!!....this is better than watching the idiots/children in Parliament on the TV!!!
Yanks reading this would be choking on their hot dogs I reckon with laughter!
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Yanks reading this would be choking on their hot dogs I reckon with laughter!
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So we've got the 'be a polished, knowledgeable pilot and keep your calls as closely in line with AIP as possible' group, versus the 'you're being ridiculously pedantic, look at the big picture, if the communication is clear and understood then what's the difference' group...
I think it is these clowns that frustrated Hold_Short to the point where he had to write something about it.
100 posts and not locked yet - me thinks this is a radio call threat record.
