RADIO CALLS!
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Come on boys & girls calm down this nonsensical thread is close to 200 posts, don't let the Mods win by closing it
Radio calls have been made incorrect since the 'Wrong Bros' started flying & tried to yell at people on the ground. Ya can't change, ya can't fix it despite the rules & regs 'tis human to err, the machines are the planes we fly you can make them all perfect not the drivers so accept it & get on with the actual flyin'!
Wmk2
Radio calls have been made incorrect since the 'Wrong Bros' started flying & tried to yell at people on the ground. Ya can't change, ya can't fix it despite the rules & regs 'tis human to err, the machines are the planes we fly you can make them all perfect not the drivers so accept it & get on with the actual flyin'!
Wmk2
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Jacks Statement responding to Leadsled
is entirely correct.
AIP GEN3.4 6.3.2
...CPDLC is only to be used outside of VHF coverage so you should be able to keep listening.
AIP GEN3.4 6.3.2
In Australian continental airspace, CPDLC is normally used as a backup communications medium to VHF voice. Depending on traffic loadings, controllers may initiate the use of CPDLC in some domestic airspace sectors. Other than the transmission of position reports as described in paragraph
6.5.1, pilots should not initiate CPDLC messaging within domestic VHF voice airspace unless authorised to do so by the controller, or an emergency situation exists.
6.5.1, pilots should not initiate CPDLC messaging within domestic VHF voice airspace unless authorised to do so by the controller, or an emergency situation exists.
What nitpicker330 says is partially correct in that the use of ADS (Automatic Dependent Surveillance) means we don't normally have to give position reports, BUT we don't normally send CPDLC position reports other than to establish the link, in accordance with the AIP quote above.
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Sorry Jack, we use CPDLC ADS all the time all over Aust AND within VHF all of the time.
I just thought Leadsled was up with AIP, CAO, CAR, ICAO, ASA, CASA, DAP, ERSA, EASA, FAA, FAR etc, was just trying to help him out
Splitting hairs Jack.
We login to YBBB or YMMM, send an initial position report using the thing then make the occasional freq change, some directed to via voice and some via data link message. ADS B is independantly connected and operational so no position reports required.
Nothing "naughty" about it, in fact we are required to log on, in fact some times if we are slow hitting "notify" ATC come up on voice and ask us to log on to YBBB/YMMM.
System works well.
Cheers
We login to YBBB or YMMM, send an initial position report using the thing then make the occasional freq change, some directed to via voice and some via data link message. ADS B is independantly connected and operational so no position reports required.
Nothing "naughty" about it, in fact we are required to log on, in fact some times if we are slow hitting "notify" ATC come up on voice and ask us to log on to YBBB/YMMM.
System works well.
Cheers
Maybe that's why PRs are not required.
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Splitting hairs Jack.
My original post was taking the piss out of Leadsled, (coz he thinks he knows everything) maybe I should have stated that.
This thread is almost as entertaining as watching kangaroos punch and kick the crap out of each other on Discovery Channel specials about Oz. And I suppose I now know what they're fighting about. Carry on.
Cheers,
an amused Yank
(P.S. When constructing sentences, could the use of the word "whilst" please be kept to a minimum, or preferably avoided altogether? While it may seem proper, nobody really talks like that. Worse, it comes off as.....you know....British, which spoils the whole Oz-flavor thing for me. Thanks)
Cheers,
an amused Yank
(P.S. When constructing sentences, could the use of the word "whilst" please be kept to a minimum, or preferably avoided altogether? While it may seem proper, nobody really talks like that. Worse, it comes off as.....you know....British, which spoils the whole Oz-flavor thing for me. Thanks)
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Had a star read back tonight that went something along the lines of:
'Expectin' tha B_ _ 6, 36 oh'
No Runway readback, the star isn't runway specific so anything could have gone into the FMS, should I get all anal and ask for the runway readback or just hope for the best? Coz after all we are pretty picky here in Australia eh!!
And no you're not 'expectin' the B_ _6 you were CLEARED the B_ _6, should I get all anal and insist on a proper readback or just hope that if he f@cks up and flys the wrong star that he did say he was 'expectin' not cleared the B_ _6?
Near enough is good enough?
Stuffed if I'm going to be part of any **** going through those holes in the cheese!
'Expectin' tha B_ _ 6, 36 oh'
No Runway readback, the star isn't runway specific so anything could have gone into the FMS, should I get all anal and ask for the runway readback or just hope for the best? Coz after all we are pretty picky here in Australia eh!!
And no you're not 'expectin' the B_ _6 you were CLEARED the B_ _6, should I get all anal and insist on a proper readback or just hope that if he f@cks up and flys the wrong star that he did say he was 'expectin' not cleared the B_ _6?
Near enough is good enough?
Stuffed if I'm going to be part of any **** going through those holes in the cheese!
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Yer it can be a bit ordinary jack.
Heard a ripper on ML CEN tonite, student, tho (not picking on him). The controller called him 3 times, and gave hints for the readback. The guy was clearly asian, and his replies were very clear and concise, if only lacking the req'd info.
Kudo's to the Controller, who was patient and guiding for the student.
Pity the poor instructor who on the 4th try from the controller came over the top and rattled if off like an angry copperhead and got it all wrong.
The controllers reply had me curled up in the seat. " XXX ask your student what he said and add the bits he missed, then maybe we can continue"
Positively plum!
Heard a ripper on ML CEN tonite, student, tho (not picking on him). The controller called him 3 times, and gave hints for the readback. The guy was clearly asian, and his replies were very clear and concise, if only lacking the req'd info.
Kudo's to the Controller, who was patient and guiding for the student.
Pity the poor instructor who on the 4th try from the controller came over the top and rattled if off like an angry copperhead and got it all wrong.
The controllers reply had me curled up in the seat. " XXX ask your student what he said and add the bits he missed, then maybe we can continue"
Positively plum!
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Punkindog
This thread is almost as entertaining as watching kangaroos punch and kick the crap out of each other on Discovery Channel specials about Oz. And I suppose I now know what they're fighting about. Carry on.
Cheers,
an amused Yank
an amused Yank
(P.S. When constructing sentences, could the use of the word "whilst" please be kept to a minimum, or preferably avoided altogether? While it may seem proper, nobody really talks like that. Worse, it comes off as.....you know....British, which spoils the whole Oz-flavor thing for me. Thanks)
Lets face the fact.
The British are the best at massacring the English language.
The Skips and Kiwi's attempt to hold it to its originality.
The yanks tried to re-write it.
Ya'll have fun when you realise the colour is actually red
On ya bike old bean
