One thing I'm scared of in GA....
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One thing I'm scared of in GA....
Bit like the story that Captain Biggles used to tell.
In the PNG Highlands the Piaggio P-166 arrived on a demonstration flight, and the local airport workers had been told to walk in from behind to put the chocks in on all aircraft. Thats what they did, no doubt it ruined the day for those guys and the assembled crowd!
In the PNG Highlands the Piaggio P-166 arrived on a demonstration flight, and the local airport workers had been told to walk in from behind to put the chocks in on all aircraft. Thats what they did, no doubt it ruined the day for those guys and the assembled crowd!
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Down at YSBK, a couple of times I've seen students turning the props for no reason. If a magneto is live, that prop can start up. If the aircraft isn't tied down it can start moving even at idle power. Someone just walking past might walk into it. You obviously wouldn't walk into a spinning prop on purpose!
Nasty business,yuk! She believes in the Lord I read,well God help her is all I can say as he's not gunna be of any help now ! She joins quite a few that have done sim things like a certain golfer.
I'd hate to be the pilot,right or wrong he's gunna have that on his mind for the rest of his life.
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I'd hate to be the pilot,right or wrong he's gunna have that on his mind for the rest of his life.
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I sat on the front porch of the club building at Ardmore years ago, watching one of the instructors load a 206 for one of the regular pax flights they did over to Waiheke Island.
He finished the loading, got on board, closed the door, opened the window, turned the master switch on, hit the fuel boost pump & called "clear prop". The beacon was on. He must have been a split second away from turning the key & engaging the starter.
Just at that moment, an idiot & his friend walked up to the front of the aircraft from just behind the wing, reached out & grabbed one of the blades of the prop.
The instructor turned off the master & waited for the gentlemen to move away. When they were a couple of metres away, he turned the master back on & started the plane. That got their attention!
I asked the instructor later why he hadn't turned the key. He said that he got the smallest indication of movement out the corner of his eye, just as he was starting to turn the key & stopped himself from turning it.
If his head had been turned just a fraction to the right, there would have been another nasty accident & possibly even a fatality.
These guys were pilots & should have been more aware & known better. You just can't help some people. They have no sense of danger, self preservation or even a shred of common sense.
He finished the loading, got on board, closed the door, opened the window, turned the master switch on, hit the fuel boost pump & called "clear prop". The beacon was on. He must have been a split second away from turning the key & engaging the starter.
Just at that moment, an idiot & his friend walked up to the front of the aircraft from just behind the wing, reached out & grabbed one of the blades of the prop.
The instructor turned off the master & waited for the gentlemen to move away. When they were a couple of metres away, he turned the master back on & started the plane. That got their attention!
I asked the instructor later why he hadn't turned the key. He said that he got the smallest indication of movement out the corner of his eye, just as he was starting to turn the key & stopped himself from turning it.
If his head had been turned just a fraction to the right, there would have been another nasty accident & possibly even a fatality.
These guys were pilots & should have been more aware & known better. You just can't help some people. They have no sense of danger, self preservation or even a shred of common sense.
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Originally Posted by SPL-101
I've seen students turning the props for no reason...
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I've done it before.
I was a Metro First Officer and I was spinning the propeller on shutdown. As I was pulling it through 20 turns the baggage handler at the rear of the aeroplane asked for my advice with some cargo and where to load it.
Of course I walked straight through the propeller ark to cross under the wing with the intention of assisting.
The propeller struck me across the shoulder and planted me onto the tarmac.
I only had some bruising but I was more in shock at how bloody stupid I had been and how quickly something can happen if you lose vigilance or are distracted.
Even worse it happened in full view of the passengers waiting at the terminal to board.
I had some funny looks as they were boarding
I was a Metro First Officer and I was spinning the propeller on shutdown. As I was pulling it through 20 turns the baggage handler at the rear of the aeroplane asked for my advice with some cargo and where to load it.
Of course I walked straight through the propeller ark to cross under the wing with the intention of assisting.
The propeller struck me across the shoulder and planted me onto the tarmac.
I only had some bruising but I was more in shock at how bloody stupid I had been and how quickly something can happen if you lose vigilance or are distracted.
Even worse it happened in full view of the passengers waiting at the terminal to board.
I had some funny looks as they were boarding
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I've been in situations where it could have happened to me or others, those situations are high-noise environments, where you are literally unable to hear an aircraft engine and prop literally right behind you. I wonder if there was noise from another aircraft in this situation that contributed to this tragedy.
After years of being careful not to ever walk through the arc of a propeller, anytime, anywhere, nor allow anyone else to, I screwed up.
DO NOT EVER WALK BACKWARDS NEAR AIRCRAFT.
It was at Tyabb at the end of a Funflight event. There were several aircraft departing the parking area and I was waiting to meet and load my passenger.
I was watching what was happening in front of me, forgetting that there were aircraft behind me, and I took two steps backwards to allow a wing tip to clear ----- almost into the rotating prop of the C172 behind me.
DO NOT EVER WALK BACKWARDS NEAR AIRCRAFT.
It was at Tyabb at the end of a Funflight event. There were several aircraft departing the parking area and I was waiting to meet and load my passenger.
I was watching what was happening in front of me, forgetting that there were aircraft behind me, and I took two steps backwards to allow a wing tip to clear ----- almost into the rotating prop of the C172 behind me.
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Originally Posted by Her old man
The most important thing is that she loves the lord
How about that she's still alive, or wasn't injured more seriously etc?
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I've had some pretty close calls as well.
Taxiied in in a caravan, and parked next to another van that was about to start loading. The passengers watched me pull in and then watched the pilot begin to load bags in the pod.
One passenger thought that it would make a good photo and walked backwards so he could get a good shot.
The pilot loading the bags, saw what was about to happen and grabbed him by the straps of his backpack. I shut the engine down pretty quickly as well, but still would have been fatal.... Stupid thing was that I was the only one on the field making any noise and he still nearly walked into me.
Another was a baggage handler who should have known better, was fooling around with his friend while loading an islander. He ran away from his friend just as I was starting up. Engine was motoring over, and I was about to add the juice... His friend yelled a warning to him and he realised what he was about to do. Wouldn't have been fatal, but still sore!
Then had the balls to shot me a look as if it was my fault.
We always did hot turnarounds in the van. Always gave the passengers a good briefing telling them that the engine will still be running, with prop still turning. Never had an issue.
Taxiied in in a caravan, and parked next to another van that was about to start loading. The passengers watched me pull in and then watched the pilot begin to load bags in the pod.
One passenger thought that it would make a good photo and walked backwards so he could get a good shot.
The pilot loading the bags, saw what was about to happen and grabbed him by the straps of his backpack. I shut the engine down pretty quickly as well, but still would have been fatal.... Stupid thing was that I was the only one on the field making any noise and he still nearly walked into me.
Another was a baggage handler who should have known better, was fooling around with his friend while loading an islander. He ran away from his friend just as I was starting up. Engine was motoring over, and I was about to add the juice... His friend yelled a warning to him and he realised what he was about to do. Wouldn't have been fatal, but still sore!
Then had the balls to shot me a look as if it was my fault.
We always did hot turnarounds in the van. Always gave the passengers a good briefing telling them that the engine will still be running, with prop still turning. Never had an issue.
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I must admit it scares me to death..Whether it was a student on a first flight or a bloke with enough bars to build a prison I always want to see keys hands feet balls etc before I go near a prop even then it's live in my mind.. Some people take it so personally too! I don't understand it!
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DO NOT EVER WALK BACKWARDS NEAR AIRCRAFT.
Hopefully the poor girl will make a reasonable recovery.
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That You-tube hoax is just another example of very poor technique 'lack of respect'
All too often I see 'experienced' people hand starting tail draggers from in front. WTF!!! sure your body is clear...but what about your lower legs? d0pes!
I was taught from day dot to treat all props as live. I've been in the game some time and things like steering sticks, and using the prop as a push/pull point for ground handling still scares the bejesus out of me...and thats on a/c i Know!.
We have a tecnam online at the local club, and part of the procedure prior to boarding is to pull the prop through until the dry sump system 'burps' (i.e its scavenged) so you can check the Oil level. This didn't last long as too many people disliked the risk. So procedure change went into play. Mags off, Throttle closed, and crank until you see oil pressure. NOW check the oil level.
I noted with interest the HOT movement of passengers. On a turbine Totally understandable why they would want to. On a piston, the reasons escape me, (except an instructor bailing for a students early solo stuff).
I watch with interest last time I was into avalon east, a well known caravan operator arrive, feather and await company personel to roll out, open the door and sheppard the passengers off airside. They had a couple of airshow airside people assisting, but it was the company personel that were closest to the A/C whilst the prop was imitating a paddle steamer. Very professionally done.
I was fortunate enough to witness them hot loading. Not as many personel available, and the single ground crewman ran the Pax out in pairs, and was last aboard.
Safety isn't hard.
Props scare me!
All too often I see 'experienced' people hand starting tail draggers from in front. WTF!!! sure your body is clear...but what about your lower legs? d0pes!
I was taught from day dot to treat all props as live. I've been in the game some time and things like steering sticks, and using the prop as a push/pull point for ground handling still scares the bejesus out of me...and thats on a/c i Know!.
We have a tecnam online at the local club, and part of the procedure prior to boarding is to pull the prop through until the dry sump system 'burps' (i.e its scavenged) so you can check the Oil level. This didn't last long as too many people disliked the risk. So procedure change went into play. Mags off, Throttle closed, and crank until you see oil pressure. NOW check the oil level.
I noted with interest the HOT movement of passengers. On a turbine Totally understandable why they would want to. On a piston, the reasons escape me, (except an instructor bailing for a students early solo stuff).
I watch with interest last time I was into avalon east, a well known caravan operator arrive, feather and await company personel to roll out, open the door and sheppard the passengers off airside. They had a couple of airshow airside people assisting, but it was the company personel that were closest to the A/C whilst the prop was imitating a paddle steamer. Very professionally done.
I was fortunate enough to witness them hot loading. Not as many personel available, and the single ground crewman ran the Pax out in pairs, and was last aboard.
Safety isn't hard.
Props scare me!
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I have been taught to treat every prop as live and do as such. On the aircraft I fly it is procedure to pull the prop through before first flight of the day to 'burp' the engine before checking oil level. Even though the engine is cold, and I make damn sure (Quadruple check) I check the mags are off, throttle is closed and park brake is on tight + chocks it is still slightly nerve racking. I find that as I pull I lean backwards, so that if by some miracle the engine fires I will most likely be out of the way and in a better position to run for my life...