Ferris Wheel crash at Old Bar
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It was really just monumentally lucky that he hit an unoccupied part of the wheel, that the wheel didn't tip over, that there was no fire,
Glad it was no worse.
- and, Morno thats Toasted and Farrqued.
...and we sit here and take CASA to task for its faults?????
Does anyone comprehend what will happen if a petition about CASA behaviour goes to Parliament?
All CASA has to do is produce this report and others like it to justify it's allegedly "heavy handed" approach. How stupid will pilots look then?
Can RAA clean up its act? Furthermore, what about the rest of the shonky Australian manufactured crap out there?
Does anyone comprehend what will happen if a petition about CASA behaviour goes to Parliament?
All CASA has to do is produce this report and others like it to justify it's allegedly "heavy handed" approach. How stupid will pilots look then?
Can RAA clean up its act? Furthermore, what about the rest of the shonky Australian manufactured crap out there?
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I bet your Savvy is not built like that
On the rego issue, sure its possible a clerical error could be to blame, though the staff in the RaAus office are usually pretty much on the ball,im thinking it could be more of the multiple car trailer, one rego plate/label trick...
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the wording
"A search of the RA-Aus listing of approved flight training facilities revealed no such training facility existed under that name."
could be just a name issue, not as sinister as it first sounds, but there's a lot of issues adding up in one incident!
"A search of the RA-Aus listing of approved flight training facilities revealed no such training facility existed under that name."
could be just a name issue, not as sinister as it first sounds, but there's a lot of issues adding up in one incident!
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It's not in the preliminary report but I also heard that alot of the locals are angry that the PIC and his pax not only jumped the que but didn't have a ticket for the ride....
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excuses, excuses....
Sunfish....
The un-airworthiness of one aeroplane could/will undoubtably be used as an example/ "safety" mallet, to bash politicians into submission about "safety, safety, safety"...and therefore CASA should be allowed to get on with saving the world from falling aeroplanes...BY WHATEVER MEANS IT TAKES. GIVE US THE UNFETTERED POWER,and leave the rest to us!
Nobody has an argument about dills in poorly built/maintained aeroplanes.Its a no brainer.
BUT...Piss poor regulations, many of which have sfa to do with safety, defamatory inputations,illegal actions, malicious and wrongful mistatements,
and all manner of bureaucratic buggery... at huge taxpayer expense, will go in to pursuing any small target about any issue, however insignificant. With NO safety outcomes.
The mega millions wasted by CASA on court cases and reg "re-writes"
is a national disgrace.
That CASA has been allowed to run amok for far too long,is also a national disgrace. But it has because there is NO oversighting mechanism to keep CASA on the path it is supposed to follow, with integrity, honesty, fairness and due process.
This petition is perhaps a chance to make parliamentarians finally aware of WTF has been going on, to hang our dirty CASA washing on their line.
We, the aviation people, demand change..it sure as hell can't continue as it is, to the great detriment to Aviation in this country.
Perhaps you havent been knifed by CASA....yet! Many people have and bear the scars today.
Change MUST occur, because if it doesnt in years? to come, we the people, will have to make it. Enough!
The un-airworthiness of one aeroplane could/will undoubtably be used as an example/ "safety" mallet, to bash politicians into submission about "safety, safety, safety"...and therefore CASA should be allowed to get on with saving the world from falling aeroplanes...BY WHATEVER MEANS IT TAKES. GIVE US THE UNFETTERED POWER,and leave the rest to us!
Nobody has an argument about dills in poorly built/maintained aeroplanes.Its a no brainer.
BUT...Piss poor regulations, many of which have sfa to do with safety, defamatory inputations,illegal actions, malicious and wrongful mistatements,
and all manner of bureaucratic buggery... at huge taxpayer expense, will go in to pursuing any small target about any issue, however insignificant. With NO safety outcomes.
The mega millions wasted by CASA on court cases and reg "re-writes"
is a national disgrace.
That CASA has been allowed to run amok for far too long,is also a national disgrace. But it has because there is NO oversighting mechanism to keep CASA on the path it is supposed to follow, with integrity, honesty, fairness and due process.
This petition is perhaps a chance to make parliamentarians finally aware of WTF has been going on, to hang our dirty CASA washing on their line.
We, the aviation people, demand change..it sure as hell can't continue as it is, to the great detriment to Aviation in this country.
Perhaps you havent been knifed by CASA....yet! Many people have and bear the scars today.
Change MUST occur, because if it doesnt in years? to come, we the people, will have to make it. Enough!
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excuses, excuses....
Sunfish....
The un-airworthiness of one aeroplane could/will undoubtably be used as an example/ "safety" mallet, to bash politicians into submission about "safety, safety, safety"...and therefore CASA should be allowed to get on with saving the world from falling aeroplanes...BY WHATEVER MEANS IT TAKES. GIVE US THE UNFETTERED POWER,and leave the rest to us!
Nobody has an argument about dills in poorly built/maintained aeroplanes.Its a no brainer.
BUT...Piss poor regulations, many of which have sfa to do with safety, defamatory inputations,illegal actions, malicious and wrongful mistatements,
and all manner of bureaucratic buggery... at huge taxpayer expense, will go in to pursuing any small target about any issue, however insignificant. With NO safety outcomes.
The mega millions wasted by CASA on court cases and reg "re-writes"
is a national disgrace.
That CASA has been allowed to run amok for far too long,is also a national disgrace. But it has because there is NO oversighting mechanism to keep CASA on the path it is supposed to follow, with integrity, honesty, fairness and due process.
This petition is perhaps a chance to make parliamentarians finally aware of WTF has been going on, to hang our dirty CASA washing on their line.
We, the aviation people, demand change..it sure as hell can't continue as it is, to the great detriment to Aviation in this country.
Perhaps you havent been knifed by CASA....yet! Many people have and bear the scars today.
Change MUST occur, because if it doesnt in years? to come, we the people, will have to make it. Enough!
Sunfish....
The un-airworthiness of one aeroplane could/will undoubtably be used as an example/ "safety" mallet, to bash politicians into submission about "safety, safety, safety"...and therefore CASA should be allowed to get on with saving the world from falling aeroplanes...BY WHATEVER MEANS IT TAKES. GIVE US THE UNFETTERED POWER,and leave the rest to us!
Nobody has an argument about dills in poorly built/maintained aeroplanes.Its a no brainer.
BUT...Piss poor regulations, many of which have sfa to do with safety, defamatory inputations,illegal actions, malicious and wrongful mistatements,
and all manner of bureaucratic buggery... at huge taxpayer expense, will go in to pursuing any small target about any issue, however insignificant. With NO safety outcomes.
The mega millions wasted by CASA on court cases and reg "re-writes"
is a national disgrace.
That CASA has been allowed to run amok for far too long,is also a national disgrace. But it has because there is NO oversighting mechanism to keep CASA on the path it is supposed to follow, with integrity, honesty, fairness and due process.
This petition is perhaps a chance to make parliamentarians finally aware of WTF has been going on, to hang our dirty CASA washing on their line.
We, the aviation people, demand change..it sure as hell can't continue as it is, to the great detriment to Aviation in this country.
Perhaps you havent been knifed by CASA....yet! Many people have and bear the scars today.
Change MUST occur, because if it doesnt in years? to come, we the people, will have to make it. Enough!
Compare the workmanship in Arnold E's photos, to what you saw in the ATSB report, I am sure we will agree that his Experimental is a far better quality product that the ferris wheel ornament. In fact far better than most other aircraft on the VH register.
So what is the problem and the solution.
Well here are my comments on another thread, some seemed to like them, I think they apply well here.
The problem is people view CASA just the same as a policeman in either of the following scenario's.
A: Small country town, local copper pulls you over for a few k's over, or answering a phone or something that in the circumstances was not dangerous, but against a rule. He says, young Jaba, that might be OK and safe here but in a school zone or somewhere else not so. How about you be more careful, if I see you do it again you might get a ticket. OK? Now scoot and be more careful. And by the way whats with that crack in your windscreen?
B: Big city copper, same infringement, copper books you, nasty tone, and then books you for a windscreen crak that happend 5k up the road because a truck illegally had an uncovered load, and then you get really pi$$ed.
So tel me which version do you see being the one likely to produce a better safety outcome? how would country copper have handled situation B, an educational talking to, and telling you to get mick the mechanic in town to replace your windscreen, and by the way I will talk to Troy the Truckie about covering his loads.
Now how does industry view CASA? Its a no brainer.
They need a major marketing makeover but first they need to improve their product.
A: Small country town, local copper pulls you over for a few k's over, or answering a phone or something that in the circumstances was not dangerous, but against a rule. He says, young Jaba, that might be OK and safe here but in a school zone or somewhere else not so. How about you be more careful, if I see you do it again you might get a ticket. OK? Now scoot and be more careful. And by the way whats with that crack in your windscreen?
B: Big city copper, same infringement, copper books you, nasty tone, and then books you for a windscreen crak that happend 5k up the road because a truck illegally had an uncovered load, and then you get really pi$$ed.
So tel me which version do you see being the one likely to produce a better safety outcome? how would country copper have handled situation B, an educational talking to, and telling you to get mick the mechanic in town to replace your windscreen, and by the way I will talk to Troy the Truckie about covering his loads.
Now how does industry view CASA? Its a no brainer.
They need a major marketing makeover but first they need to improve their product.
You don't have to go too far to see plenty of "ferris wheel ornaments" in one place. Last time I flew to narromine, a good percentage exhibited similar if not worse construction quality. 
(that said, there are some brilliant examples of foreign technological advancement as well)
It's hardly a subculture, it's in plain sight for everyone to see. Why else would you fly it to a flyin?
This is not meant to be an RAA bash- I'm just upset that we are a bees dck from everyone being tarred with the same brush. Remember ABE builders enjoy their privileges via (instantly) revocable instruments of approval, and I guarantee you that the subtleties of RAA vs SAAA are totally lost on the ignorant public and their elected representative.
BE
(that said, there are some brilliant examples of foreign technological advancement as well)
It's hardly a subculture, it's in plain sight for everyone to see. Why else would you fly it to a flyin?
This is not meant to be an RAA bash- I'm just upset that we are a bees dck from everyone being tarred with the same brush. Remember ABE builders enjoy their privileges via (instantly) revocable instruments of approval, and I guarantee you that the subtleties of RAA vs SAAA are totally lost on the ignorant public and their elected representative.
BE
Aroa, I feel your pain, but unfortunately CASA will hold up this report as an example of why it needs its unfettered powers - and the politicians will cave in yet again.
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The 24-#### rego means factory built. Ok to train and hire
Are those fuel lines and fittings factory fit? If so I expect an emergency AD to sprout into our inboxes (for those who subscribe to AD's) some time very soon.
Are those fuel lines and fittings factory fit? If so I expect an emergency AD to sprout into our inboxes (for those who subscribe to AD's) some time very soon.
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The rego indicates factory built, and the report confirmed that this was supposed to be the case. Remember though that the registration did not correspond with the aircraft serial number. I guess there are 2 possibilities then. Either this is a particularly poor example of factory workmanship, or there has potentially been some creative numbering going on to allow a home built aircraft to be used for hire and training.
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Is this aircraft available other than factory built? I can't see any kit option on the builders website. The factory is located at Taree. The factory does not seem to have denied being the builder. OK so we have a badly built aircraft with irregular and unclear registration. We have a pilot whose pilot certificate may not be in order. We have no explanation from any individual who might be able to clarify these irregularities. Why do they remain silent? Fear of criminal or civil liability maybe. Not a good look.
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Yes the aircraft involved was factory built. Yes you can get them in kit form, however then they wouldnt be 24-xxxx regoed. This aircraft was built and owned by the manufacturer/builder/factory guy.
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Remember being at xxx for lunch and going out to see a yyy on a sales mission. Approaching from behind I could see the ground through the canopy and cockpit. Initially thought he has picked on the idea of nosewheel retracting into the cockpit (helps with the old gear up landing problem).
Nope, I was looking at the ground through canopy and forward luggage compartment hatch past the rudder pedals – so if junk in the forward luggage compartment shifted things could get interesting.
Nope, I was looking at the ground through canopy and forward luggage compartment hatch past the rudder pedals – so if junk in the forward luggage compartment shifted things could get interesting.
