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Ferris Wheel crash at Old Bar

Old 23rd Apr 2014, 02:06
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The reported purpose of the flight was to position the aircraft at the airstrip for a static display
It would seem that the pilot achieved his initial objective
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 02:40
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That's why you ring up and get permission from the owner to use a private strip and at the same time discuss issues such as length, direction, surface condition, obstacles etc.
It would be interesting to know what if any information about the ferris wheel was provided to those pilots who did ring up for permission. I haven't been able to find that information in the report.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 03:28
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Andrew, thats what NOTAMS are for....
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 03:34
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That's what your eyes are for...

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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 03:37
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Andrew, thats what NOTAMS are for....
Old bar is not required to provide NOTAM's, that is why you are required to ring for permission/strip appraisal prior!
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 03:38
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'tis the perils of being a sub 80 hour pilot with 2/3 of your hours being flown over 20 years earlier.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 04:48
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Maths

27.9 is not 2/3 of 79.4.

According to the report, he had done 28.6 hours dual with RAA, 22.9 solo.

When he received his pilot certificate (roughly equivalent to GFPT) he had done 16.5 Dual and 4.4 solo with RAA.

At a GA school, if someone came in with 25-30 hours including 5 solo 25 years ago, how many hours would you expect it to take to achieve GFPT?

16 hours dual doesn't sound out of the ballpark - especially at a regional airfield, rather than e.g. Moorabbin.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 05:30
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My apologies, I actually (obviously) meant to type 1/3 of the hours, not 2/3.

My point being that 80 hours isn't many given that 51.5 have been during the last 25 years.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 07:15
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50 hours isn't many. Nor is 80. But we have all been there.
While technically it was 50 hours in 23 years, it was also 50 hours in 7 months... which gives a slightly different slant.

I'm not trying to defend obvious deficiencies, but some of the statements been made are somewhat misleading.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 03:17
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Old Bar aeroplane not registered

The driver held the appropriate certificate from an appropriate FTF and the rego situation was purely the mis-reading of an S as a 5. He had flown into Old Bar on previous occasions and most recently only a short interval before the day of the prang.. that much is now known.
Kaz3g,

From https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/g/file...ef12-10136.pdf (CASA audit files of RAAus), on page 45, it says:

The ... (ATSB) requested registration details of this aircraft <redacted> from RA-Aus at the time of the accident and it was found that the aircraft was not registered at the time.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 10:26
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This case is now in court today in Sydney, good video footage of the plane crashing into the ferris wheel

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/11/...rapping-riders
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 11:18
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The moron pilot is suing the council. Laughable.
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 12:00
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Can't imagine the trauma those kids went thru! That clip was horrible to watch! ,
Wonder how much money will 'sooth' the pilots fears?
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 13:44
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Ferris Wheel,- what Ferris Wheel ??
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 21:23
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About a minute in, (tried to embed at time) you'll see the Ferris Wheel crash...
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 22:20
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That crash was a significant event in the life of RA-Aus and many things happened as a result.

- The aircraft type lost its LSA certification (approval).
- The manufacturer sold up and moved to NZ to build aircraft there, where he said that the regs are much better.
- Pilots had a great new bar discussion topic for months, if not years.

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 03:26
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The reported purpose of the flight was to position the aircraft at the airstrip for a static display. This was at the request of the aircraft manufacturer. The display was associated with the Old Bar Beach Festival. The Old Bar Beach Festival was located in an area that surrounded and included the Old Bar Airstrip.
He certainly achieved the whole static display bit
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