Norfolk Island Ditching ATSB Report - ?
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Hell yeah Wally, I am agreeing with you! If the med crew had said, for example, that the patients condition did not warrant the risks associated with a long overwater night flight as advised by the tech crew (if indeed that issue was even discussed), then the patient may have elected to take commercial transport the next day, or the insurer may have decided on commercial transport or (gasp!) another service provider; thus denying the anointed company the income.
All true 'J':-) Retrieving someone from afar is fraught with hassles as this case in question has shown.
Typical Eg & this may very well have been the case with this patient. Person gets sick on holidays for whatever reason.(I've seen them with broken spines to being shot in the head!) They have travel insurance & the local Dr says it's best we get this patient to a main land facility asap, mainly 'cause the Dr doesn't want any complications on his nice easy quiet Island:-) The Ins Co. is advised & immediately they start looking at cost effective options to get this person to where it's going to cost them (the ins Co)the least.They look at commercial flights after learning that the patient isn't too serious (& this is often used in Australia & OS) & could go by large public jet with assistance. They find out that being Norfolk the options there are limited, not enough seats available the following day as an Eg only. So next option get a recognized Aero-med organization to do the task. Get a quote, it's a cut throat business to it's the cheapest they can secure. Ins Co goes down the path hiring said Co & wants it done quick. Now the fun begins & the commercial pressure starts with the Tech crew now on an OS mission. Possible end result? Exactly what we have here!
Of course all of the above is just a fictional story but very believable!
They all survived that's the main thing & hopefully many have learnt that going out there over the Pacific Ocean at night in a small twin eng jet to a tiny island is damned risky/dangerous even when the suns out!!
Wmk2
Typical Eg & this may very well have been the case with this patient. Person gets sick on holidays for whatever reason.(I've seen them with broken spines to being shot in the head!) They have travel insurance & the local Dr says it's best we get this patient to a main land facility asap, mainly 'cause the Dr doesn't want any complications on his nice easy quiet Island:-) The Ins Co. is advised & immediately they start looking at cost effective options to get this person to where it's going to cost them (the ins Co)the least.They look at commercial flights after learning that the patient isn't too serious (& this is often used in Australia & OS) & could go by large public jet with assistance. They find out that being Norfolk the options there are limited, not enough seats available the following day as an Eg only. So next option get a recognized Aero-med organization to do the task. Get a quote, it's a cut throat business to it's the cheapest they can secure. Ins Co goes down the path hiring said Co & wants it done quick. Now the fun begins & the commercial pressure starts with the Tech crew now on an OS mission. Possible end result? Exactly what we have here!
Of course all of the above is just a fictional story but very believable!
They all survived that's the main thing & hopefully many have learnt that going out there over the Pacific Ocean at night in a small twin eng jet to a tiny island is damned risky/dangerous even when the suns out!!
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Jaba - you forgot leaving the FO behind unconscious in her seat while making his escape over the top of all the other occupants.
Not quite the hero portrayed in the papers hey.
As Wally said, they survived that is the main thing, and I bet he has trouble sleeping at night knowing what he did...... or he should do.
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From reading the initial report, doing some calculations, and they were checked by folk who did this work, it became clear the comments I have made are pretty factual. Receiving weather, diversion points, number of VOR's shot and missed, then into the drink.
If I am wrong, please detail it. There are quite a number of us perplexed as to what another version of events could have lead to all these events. Or has the ATSB reports and many other witness reports got it so wrong.
Gadrver, if memory serves me correctly you take a line of...was not like that... But refuse to offer a detailed plausible alternative.
Quite happy to be proven wrong, but it needs to be a convincing argument. We are all keen to hear what you know.
If I am wrong, please detail it. There are quite a number of us perplexed as to what another version of events could have lead to all these events. Or has the ATSB reports and many other witness reports got it so wrong.
Gadrver, if memory serves me correctly you take a line of...was not like that... But refuse to offer a detailed plausible alternative.
Quite happy to be proven wrong, but it needs to be a convincing argument. We are all keen to hear what you know.
Jaba, I'm with you all the way on this one....
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Jaba +1
But isnt this rather like mentioning the war..... I recall the threads were sunk last time faster than Westwind out of fuel, out of options and out of time...
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But isnt this rather like mentioning the war..... I recall the threads were sunk last time faster than Westwind out of fuel, out of options and out of time...
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Have you ever considered contacting both pilots and getting their version of the events?! Just a thought.
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Brian, she probably was not as silly as her captain that day.
Here is an interesting news article link from last month just emailed to me....ohhh dear.
Star match: Simmone Jade Mackinnon and Dominic James set to battle it out in court | News.com.au
Here is an interesting news article link from last month just emailed to me....ohhh dear.
Star match: Simmone Jade Mackinnon and Dominic James set to battle it out in court | News.com.au
Christ 'Jabba' who sends you this crap?? 
Dom the hero?........oh brother!!!
I must start buying Cleo the magazine, there's gotta be more interesting aviation articles in there
Wmk2
Dom the hero?........oh brother!!!
I must start buying Cleo the magazine, there's gotta be more interesting aviation articles in there
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Leave the bloke alone!
He cocked up but does anyone deserve to have their mortgage details posted? Where is the bad judgement now?
There but for the grace of God go us
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He cocked up but does anyone deserve to have their mortgage details posted? Where is the bad judgement now?
There but for the grace of God go us
Bbbbbbbbbzbzbzbzbzbzzzzzzzzzz
Leave the bloke alone!
He cocked up but does anyone deserve to have their mortgage details posted? Where is the bad judgement now?
There but for the grace of God go us
Bbbbbbbbbzbzbzbzbzbzzzzzzzzzz
He cocked up but does anyone deserve to have their mortgage details posted? Where is the bad judgement now?
There but for the grace of God go us
Bbbbbbbbbzbzbzbzbzbzzzzzzzzzz
Jaba, have you no shame? This is a rumour network - facts have NO place here.
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Never a weather problem, only a fuel problem. Anyone operating to a single runway airport in this part of the world WITHOUT an alternate, regardless of weather, day or night is mad. Forget the rules and whats legal...airmanship is the answer.
ALLAH
Maybe you should check your facts before you post. It might add a bit of credibility to your reputation while you are busy giving us the benefit of your vast experience.
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...NFAD01-115.pdf
Maybe you should check your facts before you post. It might add a bit of credibility to your reputation while you are busy giving us the benefit of your vast experience.
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...NFAD01-115.pdf