Roads/Railways crossing the undershoot -Protected by traffic lights?
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Roads/Railways crossing the undershoot -Protected by traffic lights?
I'm only gathering names of airports in Australia/SE Asia where a road goes through the undershoot close enough to cause concern about the ILS signal/landing distance available and where traffic lights are installed to halt road traffic, also, who operates the lights? Is it ATC or the airport authority?
Nothing sinister in this, no media involvement, no authority, no politicians etc. just a study that I have been asked if I can help with.
Any suggestions will be much appreciated, thanks.
Nothing sinister in this, no media involvement, no authority, no politicians etc. just a study that I have been asked if I can help with.
Any suggestions will be much appreciated, thanks.
When you live....
Wynard had a railway line crossing the runway - until they shortened the runway.
Train used to set off flashing lights which told pilots it was unsafe to land.
In Derry (Londonderry) in Northern Island, I worked on a project to put up railway signals to be controlled by ATC as the wheels of an arriving jet just touched a train passing the threshold of the main runway!
Train used to set off flashing lights which told pilots it was unsafe to land.
In Derry (Londonderry) in Northern Island, I worked on a project to put up railway signals to be controlled by ATC as the wheels of an arriving jet just touched a train passing the threshold of the main runway!
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parabellum,
My curiosity was aroused by this, and I did a PPRUNE search on "traffic lights" without the inverted commas, with quite a few results which may be fertile ground for you. For example this one.
Please let us know what you find, as it is something that could well be of benefit to others.
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My curiosity was aroused by this, and I did a PPRUNE search on "traffic lights" without the inverted commas, with quite a few results which may be fertile ground for you. For example this one.
Please let us know what you find, as it is something that could well be of benefit to others.
OverRun
Not quite SE Asia, more like NW, but have look at Peshawar, a main line right across the runway. We avoided straight in approaches like the poison, didn't give us chance to have a good look around for choochoos -- NO traffic lights, and no "rule" as to whether trains or planes (in our case PIA B707) had right of way.
I guess inshallah was the official policy.
Tootle pip!!
I guess inshallah was the official policy.
Tootle pip!!
short flights long nights
Corfu has police to stop traffic (and lights as well I think)
Again not Asia but in the early seventies I was a freight Guard based at Cambridge. We used to take trains to and from St. Ives (Hunts) and on the Monday we would sign out of the ticket office £1 in 10p pieces. This was to telephone the control tower at Oakington to let them know that we would be chugging along the line.
Wynyard Airport Rail Crossing
This has some information regarding the rail crossing at Wynyard when it was operational.
A further link at the bottom of the page takes you to a description of how the signals were operated.
This has some information regarding the rail crossing at Wynyard when it was operational.
A further link at the bottom of the page takes you to a description of how the signals were operated.
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18 June 1950 Ansett DC-3 VH-BZK derailed five empty trucks of a coal train returning from Bunnerong power station which was crossing runway 22 at Mascot with ATC approval. DC-3 was taxing for departure at speed after a runway change at night.
Train Meets PLane
Train Meets PLane
Brian,
Same era, a Qantas Lanc. or Liberator actually hit a train close to what is no the Qantas Catering Centre, can anybody remember the details, or dig them up.
As I remember, it was one of the aircraft used to carry spare Connie engines around the world.
Into the early '70's there were traffic lights, operated from the tower, on the road that ran along the west side of Biggin Hill, UK, the ends of several runways were VERY close to the road.
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Same era, a Qantas Lanc. or Liberator actually hit a train close to what is no the Qantas Catering Centre, can anybody remember the details, or dig them up.
As I remember, it was one of the aircraft used to carry spare Connie engines around the world.
Into the early '70's there were traffic lights, operated from the tower, on the road that ran along the west side of Biggin Hill, UK, the ends of several runways were VERY close to the road.
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Takaka, NZ RWY36 has a road (and also a powerline?) to cross just before the threshold. Not much clearance beneath when a logging truck rumbles underneath.
Long time ago now. Maybe someone with a fresher memory might be able to add/correct.
Long time ago now. Maybe someone with a fresher memory might be able to add/correct.
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Thanks everybody, much appreciated.
Results:
Christchurch (NZ) - NZCH R/W 11, Lights/ATC
Gisbourne (NZ) - NZGS R/W 32, Lights/ATC
Dunedin (NZ) - NZDN R/W 21, Lights/ATC.
Bournemouth, (UK) R/W 08, Lights/ATC
Belfast - Aldergrove, (UK) R/W 17, Lights/ATC
Warton/Woodford, (UK) Lights/ATC
Liverpool, (UK), R/W 27, Lights/ATC
Waddington, (UK-Military), Lights/ATC
Cambeltown, (UK - EGEC, R/W 29, Lights/ATC.
Shannon, (Ireland), Used to be on R/W 31, R/W now closed.
Farnborough, (UK), Used to be R/W 18, no longer in use.
Bristol - Lulsgate, (UK) Road was re-routed and 'sunk' at a cost of millions, it was a main North/South arterial, previously Lights/ATC.
and all those mentioned in the posts on this thread, thanks again.
Results:
Christchurch (NZ) - NZCH R/W 11, Lights/ATC
Gisbourne (NZ) - NZGS R/W 32, Lights/ATC
Dunedin (NZ) - NZDN R/W 21, Lights/ATC.
Bournemouth, (UK) R/W 08, Lights/ATC
Belfast - Aldergrove, (UK) R/W 17, Lights/ATC
Warton/Woodford, (UK) Lights/ATC
Liverpool, (UK), R/W 27, Lights/ATC
Waddington, (UK-Military), Lights/ATC
Cambeltown, (UK - EGEC, R/W 29, Lights/ATC.
Shannon, (Ireland), Used to be on R/W 31, R/W now closed.
Farnborough, (UK), Used to be R/W 18, no longer in use.
Bristol - Lulsgate, (UK) Road was re-routed and 'sunk' at a cost of millions, it was a main North/South arterial, previously Lights/ATC.
and all those mentioned in the posts on this thread, thanks again.
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LeadSled, researched the Lancastrian extensively a few years ago and not heard of your story, be interesting if anyone comes up with details. Reports say this particular aircraft was written off in a landing accident 17 Nov 1951, without further elaboration, most say at Mascot, but one report gives Bankstown. Pic of the Connie engine carrier.
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For a relatively short period around the late 60s traffic lights were installed on General Homes Drive aligned with Sydney's RWY 25 threshold, presumably to protect vehicular traffic from jet blast.
The Launceston 32 ILS crosses the railway line at Western Junction. Does the tower and rail operater liase over train movements during ILS ops?
Cambridge airport had lights to stop traffic on the Tasman highway for arrivals onto runway 32, PLovett may have better knowledge on that subject.
Runway 23 at Wynyard, now that was a bit of good sport in the old Heron with a gale force south westerly wind.
Why did they shorten the length of 05/23?
Cambridge airport had lights to stop traffic on the Tasman highway for arrivals onto runway 32, PLovett may have better knowledge on that subject.
Runway 23 at Wynyard, now that was a bit of good sport in the old Heron with a gale force south westerly wind.
Why did they shorten the length of 05/23?