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Patience...
Its a long row to hoe John, but its something that has to be done...for yr own sake and sanity. If you quit....those immoral bastards win.
If you dont pursue them now, in years to come you will regret not having tried.
How do I know.? I'm into year 5 of my endeavours, banging away at the
bureaucrazies, trying eventually to bring these lying, conspiring mongrels to account.
At long last, I'm closing on the end game, so 2012 should be an interesting year.
In the Oz "democracy" and "rule" (sic) of law, its a sorry state of affairs where people in a government "authority", allow this sort of thing to happen.
They are unelected scum, and we cant just vote them out of office. We just dont have that fine a level of democracy in Oz, unfortunately.
Removal can only be by the appropriate, legal means available.Unfortunately.
And when you do win , as you will: you will have done yourself and GA a favour. Hopefully when all the misfeasance is bought to light it will help drive another nail in casa's coffin.
Hang in there...!!!
If you dont pursue them now, in years to come you will regret not having tried.
How do I know.? I'm into year 5 of my endeavours, banging away at the
bureaucrazies, trying eventually to bring these lying, conspiring mongrels to account.
At long last, I'm closing on the end game, so 2012 should be an interesting year.
In the Oz "democracy" and "rule" (sic) of law, its a sorry state of affairs where people in a government "authority", allow this sort of thing to happen.
They are unelected scum, and we cant just vote them out of office. We just dont have that fine a level of democracy in Oz, unfortunately.
Removal can only be by the appropriate, legal means available.Unfortunately.
And when you do win , as you will: you will have done yourself and GA a favour. Hopefully when all the misfeasance is bought to light it will help drive another nail in casa's coffin.
Hang in there...!!!
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Strong Values
Aroa I am a person of strong values and when someone has taken them away from me unlawfully I will stop at nothing to make those people accountable.
I am not only in this battle for myself but also for my fellow aviators.
I used to have a lot of respect for the CASA,but now that has gone.
I am here for as long as it takes.
I am not only in this battle for myself but also for my fellow aviators.
I used to have a lot of respect for the CASA,but now that has gone.
I am here for as long as it takes.
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No Guidance from the CASA
Casa have said nothing. Only the AAT have commented.
It is a shame I cannot show people the transcripts from the AAT hearing. The things that came out of the 3 days would blow your mind. It really makes you wonder what qualifications you need have to be a FOI.
If only CASA was more like the Qld police who are very professional. Then we would have a justice system where people were innocent until proven guilty and the punishment would fit the crime.
It is a shame I cannot show people the transcripts from the AAT hearing. The things that came out of the 3 days would blow your mind. It really makes you wonder what qualifications you need have to be a FOI.
If only CASA was more like the Qld police who are very professional. Then we would have a justice system where people were innocent until proven guilty and the punishment would fit the crime.
What needs to be demonstrated is an identical series of maneuvers that replicate the images seen on the original video together with a time stamped video of what the instruments are showing
Heli pilots should comment, but I would have thought the starting point would be to demonstrate a sustained 2G turn at Sixty degrees and the picture through the front as it is flown...assuming that this is within the R44 performance envelope, IAW loading, POH and Company operation manuals.
From there, go to a wing over, if that is an approved maneuver IAW loading, POH and Company operations manual.
I would then assume, not being a lawyer, that if it can be conclusively demonstrated that the alleged "acrobatic flight" can be duplicated by any competent helicopter pilot in an R44 under identical loading conditions entirely within the approved flight envelope as required by the POH, company operations manual and any applicable CASA regulations, then Mr. Quadrio has a foundation on which to build some form of legal argument.
All we need now is a Pilot, Helicopter, suitable guinea pigs, er. test subjects, cameras and money. However this needs to be planned by someone with the helicopter technical and operational expertise, or such test may become another casualty of CASA and result in more persecution. A lawyer also needs to look at how you would ensure that such a test complies with evidentiary standards.
Whats an R44 cost per hour?
P.S. I think older and wiser heads might like to think this idea through. Can such a test help or hinder Mr. Quadrio, pprune, etc?? What would the next step be assuming the test was successful?
Heli pilots should comment, but I would have thought the starting point would be to demonstrate a sustained 2G turn at Sixty degrees and the picture through the front as it is flown...assuming that this is within the R44 performance envelope, IAW loading, POH and Company operation manuals.
From there, go to a wing over, if that is an approved maneuver IAW loading, POH and Company operations manual.
I would then assume, not being a lawyer, that if it can be conclusively demonstrated that the alleged "acrobatic flight" can be duplicated by any competent helicopter pilot in an R44 under identical loading conditions entirely within the approved flight envelope as required by the POH, company operations manual and any applicable CASA regulations, then Mr. Quadrio has a foundation on which to build some form of legal argument.
All we need now is a Pilot, Helicopter, suitable guinea pigs, er. test subjects, cameras and money. However this needs to be planned by someone with the helicopter technical and operational expertise, or such test may become another casualty of CASA and result in more persecution. A lawyer also needs to look at how you would ensure that such a test complies with evidentiary standards.
Whats an R44 cost per hour?
P.S. I think older and wiser heads might like to think this idea through. Can such a test help or hinder Mr. Quadrio, pprune, etc?? What would the next step be assuming the test was successful?
It would be cheaper (and more convincing) to match, frame by frame, the video with a computer generated 3-D model (which I could imagine could be done with just MS flight sim or equivalent). Once the movements of the camera, horizon & helicopter are matched, then you can zoom out in 3-D, freeze frame, examine the actual pitch & roll, watch the display from a fixed ground point etc etc.
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I think Sunfish is going in the right direction.
That should be matched by legal skills to ensure what is happening counts as valid evidence.
Then the plan, who is doing what, who is going to run it, what the cost will be, what the likely outcome will be.
We probably need to hear from the people with legal expertise first to see if this exercise would go anywhere.
Jabba, it might be hard to get CASA a guy up if he knows his job prospects are gone, but in any case there needs to an impeccable first hand witness.
Having got some sort of plan and cost sorted out, it would count a lot more if a lot of us contributed a share rather than a few. 100 is significant, 1000, particularly licensed pilots will attract good media attention.
That should be matched by legal skills to ensure what is happening counts as valid evidence.
Then the plan, who is doing what, who is going to run it, what the cost will be, what the likely outcome will be.
We probably need to hear from the people with legal expertise first to see if this exercise would go anywhere.
Jabba, it might be hard to get CASA a guy up if he knows his job prospects are gone, but in any case there needs to an impeccable first hand witness.
Having got some sort of plan and cost sorted out, it would count a lot more if a lot of us contributed a share rather than a few. 100 is significant, 1000, particularly licensed pilots will attract good media attention.
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Aagh yes good ol CASA. This case is an example of their take on 'just culture'.
There is a thing called 'leading by example'. CASA actions merely destroy any desire or will within industry to follow their example, uphold honesty and integrity or even report an issue where relevant.
When you have a regulator hell bent on bullying the industry and driving a pineapple through the industry's a#s for personal retaliatory reasons this is the system you end up with.
Metaphorically speaking the entire regulatory structure needs a tin of Avgas and a match set too it and we need to start again, the rot is too well entrenched, the cancer cannot be cured.
There is a thing called 'leading by example'. CASA actions merely destroy any desire or will within industry to follow their example, uphold honesty and integrity or even report an issue where relevant.
When you have a regulator hell bent on bullying the industry and driving a pineapple through the industry's a#s for personal retaliatory reasons this is the system you end up with.
Metaphorically speaking the entire regulatory structure needs a tin of Avgas and a match set too it and we need to start again, the rot is too well entrenched, the cancer cannot be cured.
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John there is a senator in SA who was a head honcho chopper guy for the RAAF, not sure of his name but I'm sure someone here will know.
Here's your unempeachable witness if you could get him to participate, for me, I'd happily contribute if it would lead to this injustice being overturned. Hopefully with a generous amount of compensation.
Here's your unempeachable witness if you could get him to participate, for me, I'd happily contribute if it would lead to this injustice being overturned. Hopefully with a generous amount of compensation.
I still think the Commonwealth Ombudsman is worth a shot, especially as the CDPP dropped criminal proceedings. You could easily write a brief which could include PP's article coupled with several expert witness statements and a petition with all concerned fellow aviators signatures.
John should exhaust all options first and then once he has a license back hit CASA with a loss of earnings, reputation, employment etc..etc lawsuit.
John should exhaust all options first and then once he has a license back hit CASA with a loss of earnings, reputation, employment etc..etc lawsuit.
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Notwithstanding the fact that I personally have had favourable response to investigations started, I believe The Commonwealth Ombudsman has recently been compromised by investigators who rely on “expert” opinion from the “experts” who incidentally are CASA, (“the experts”).
Most of The Judiciary are also hoodwinked by “expert opinion”.
There are various bodies right now collating information on the CASA evil and are supported by many private, independent, experts with the ability to refute CASA expertise in court. They need ongoing support.
Until the CASA “expert” has been proven to be patholigically and habitually incompetent however, they will remain “the expert”- or until the poor bloody fare paying public feels his/ her life could be at risk.
The fact that it has taken so long to carry out a Regulatory Review is one such proof of incompetence supported by the corporate psychopaths and their dogsbodies litany of indictable offences rewarded with golden handshakes as a measure of last resort.
Most of The Judiciary are also hoodwinked by “expert opinion”.
There are various bodies right now collating information on the CASA evil and are supported by many private, independent, experts with the ability to refute CASA expertise in court. They need ongoing support.
Until the CASA “expert” has been proven to be patholigically and habitually incompetent however, they will remain “the expert”- or until the poor bloody fare paying public feels his/ her life could be at risk.
The fact that it has taken so long to carry out a Regulatory Review is one such proof of incompetence supported by the corporate psychopaths and their dogsbodies litany of indictable offences rewarded with golden handshakes as a measure of last resort.
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I think it goes without saying that CASA appears to have come up a little short on this one, so repeating their alleged deficiencies, colourful as these posts are, is preaching to the converted and not moving John's position forward.
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Thankyou guys
Thankyou for all your overwhelming support guys it really has helped my healing process.
Reading your posts I see there is one issue that needs clarification. With regards to the turns we proved in court that they were not illegal steep turns (ie aerobatic) and we also brought up the fact that the low flying law specifically states it applies over terrain. The judge decided that in this instance terrain actually included water and I was unfit because he thought my suggested reason for turning in such a manner due to birds was risable (laughable) because he could not see any birds in the footage. But none of them ever bothered to go out to the reef to see how many birds there actually was in that area.
Reading your posts I see there is one issue that needs clarification. With regards to the turns we proved in court that they were not illegal steep turns (ie aerobatic) and we also brought up the fact that the low flying law specifically states it applies over terrain. The judge decided that in this instance terrain actually included water and I was unfit because he thought my suggested reason for turning in such a manner due to birds was risable (laughable) because he could not see any birds in the footage. But none of them ever bothered to go out to the reef to see how many birds there actually was in that area.
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Until the CASA “expert” has been proven to be patholigically and habitually incompetent however, they will remain “the expert”-
Prove this is an habitual fact of life and you may see the simple answer to the problem. The public who outnumber us in the industry 1000/1 will then solve it for us.
JQ simply needs to keep his action alive.
John I don't think you'll have anyone disagree with you about the birdlife out on the reef structures, especially near the pontoons or old wrecks (Emily reef comes to mind!).
Wallsofchina, I'm sorry I missed your post #137! So in what court do you suggest JQ continue his fight to regain his license?
Wallsofchina, I'm sorry I missed your post #137! So in what court do you suggest JQ continue his fight to regain his license?