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the big short...
w.o.c. Casa havent just come up "a little short" in this example they are WELL short of any norms of due process that the citizen should expect from
a Commonwealth authority.
CASA has a "code of conduct" which is supposed to apply to its staff, but as we see, they just think its a load of old bollocks that doesnt apply to them.
Who's to give Compliance and Enforcement to the enforcers? Nobody.
If you read the CAC Act 1997, Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act,
there are very serious penalty provisions for criminal behaviour.
I hope that Mr Quadrio can eventually kick their ar$e, with hobnail boots on when the time comes.
CASAs read on a "just culture" as I know it is ...
JUST fit this guy up, JUST do whatever it takes, 'coz we JUST dont care how much it might cost. JUST do it.
a Commonwealth authority.
CASA has a "code of conduct" which is supposed to apply to its staff, but as we see, they just think its a load of old bollocks that doesnt apply to them.
Who's to give Compliance and Enforcement to the enforcers? Nobody.
If you read the CAC Act 1997, Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act,
there are very serious penalty provisions for criminal behaviour.
I hope that Mr Quadrio can eventually kick their ar$e, with hobnail boots on when the time comes.
CASAs read on a "just culture" as I know it is ...
JUST fit this guy up, JUST do whatever it takes, 'coz we JUST dont care how much it might cost. JUST do it.
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....... because he thought my suggested reason for turning in such a manner due to birds was risable (laughable) because he could not see any birds in the footage.
The men in funny suits, declare that we must show them the utmost respect, and if we don't, then they toss us in the can for a bit.
But this same person sitting there demanding the utmost respect, can sit on his fat overpaid laurels and call a persons honest testimony Risable is a disgusting abuse of power. It tells me our 'learned' man on the bench finds it amusing.
He either agree's with a persons testimony, or he doesn't. His position is not there to rate its comedy level.
This muppet should be keel hauled!
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Originally Posted by Jabawocky
The best one to fly it would be John himself.....oh the licence issue
If there is going to be a "fighting fund" then please post it in this thread coz I'm in.
With respect to the birds thing, it is pointless to argue. What we need is current video proof that the $#%ing birds exist on platforms, that they are a hazard to navigation, and that they must therefore be avoided or scared away.
That evidence needs to be of legal evidentiary quality. Anything else is just conjecture. A picture is worth a thousand words.
That evidence needs to be of legal evidentiary quality. Anything else is just conjecture. A picture is worth a thousand words.
I know of one or two webcams in the area. What would be even better would be to place a webcam on the HLS at Hastings reef, get some footage of birds on the platform and a few arrivals of choppers etc.
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Footage of birds isn't going to carry any weight.
Footage of birds there that day in the way AND requiring a bank angle of at least 62 degrees to scare them away, along with whatever extreme attitudes occurred may help, but if they would have been scared away by a cautious approach of say 10 knots, his justification falls away.
Same applies if prudent action by the operator in response to constant birds was a mustering horn.
Sunfish makes a good point about real evidence.
Footage of birds there that day in the way AND requiring a bank angle of at least 62 degrees to scare them away, along with whatever extreme attitudes occurred may help, but if they would have been scared away by a cautious approach of say 10 knots, his justification falls away.
Same applies if prudent action by the operator in response to constant birds was a mustering horn.
Sunfish makes a good point about real evidence.
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With respect to the birds thing, it is pointless to argue. What we need is current video proof that the $#%ing birds exist on platforms, that they are a hazard to navigation, and that they must therefore be avoided or scared away.
That evidence needs to be of legal evidentiary quality. Anything else is just conjecture. A picture is worth a thousand words.
That evidence needs to be of legal evidentiary quality. Anything else is just conjecture. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Hands up all those who would manoeuvre to avoid this lot?
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Thorough investigation
You would have thought that the experts (CASA) would have went out to the area, but no they have the video that is all they need.
They cancelled my license before they conducted a thorough investigation.
WHY DID NONE OF THESE EXPERTS GO OUT TO THE AREA AND CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
GULLTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT.
They cancelled my license before they conducted a thorough investigation.
WHY DID NONE OF THESE EXPERTS GO OUT TO THE AREA AND CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
GULLTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT.
So Wallsofchina you are saying that the only 'real evidence' is the video footage taken on the day. Therefore that footage has to be analysed frame by frame, presumably by helo experts etc..etc and then draw conclusions about the illegalities of that flight?
I'm not sure what you mean? Other than banging on about the birds!
The last two posts make me nervous. Have we been led up the garden path here.
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Forget the birds
So John did a few steep turns getting his pax into the floating pad. Big deal. Sure, these turns are probably silly (someone might chuck), but dangerous - I really don't think so. Whether there were birds around or not is not (IMHO) worth discussing. (Although I do well understand why that topic is needed...).
No one complained, no one got hurt and John got fried (and fired) for being (at best) over enthusiastic.
You HAVE to be kidding.
These are the same public servants that brought us pink batts, the NBN and other ridiculous ideas.
Don't you guys have something better to do ?
Some of the crap I have read here is ridiculous - does everyone here fly a helicopter or (perhaps) a desk ? Desk jockeys don't get a right to comment !
Fair dinkum.
Chin up John.
Arrrj
PS - I fly a helicopter - not a desk, and I will have to be careful not to make a turn that is too tight for the authorities in future !
(Of course I will now have to study all the crap from Canberra to find out what the max angle turn I am allowed to make !).
No one complained, no one got hurt and John got fried (and fired) for being (at best) over enthusiastic.
You HAVE to be kidding.
These are the same public servants that brought us pink batts, the NBN and other ridiculous ideas.
Don't you guys have something better to do ?Some of the crap I have read here is ridiculous - does everyone here fly a helicopter or (perhaps) a desk ? Desk jockeys don't get a right to comment !
Fair dinkum.
Chin up John.
Arrrj
PS - I fly a helicopter - not a desk, and I will have to be careful not to make a turn that is too tight for the authorities in future !
(Of course I will now have to study all the crap from Canberra to find out what the max angle turn I am allowed to make !).
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Taking a CASA representative out to the reef would serve no purpose, neither does submitting birdlife/helicopter photos that aren't related directly to John's case because CASA would say that any later visit or follow up plus any photos supplied that is not directly related to the incident in question in John's case (i.e photo's taken today, next week or next June) does not accurately replicate the circumstances that actually took place in John's case. They would hang their hat on things such as different weather patterns, temperatures, food sources for the birds, cloud formation, jeez even the moon phase...........
John has been dealt a cruel hand, persecuted for rubbing somone's ego the wrong way. Its a disgrace.
John has been dealt a cruel hand, persecuted for rubbing somone's ego the wrong way. Its a disgrace.
mind set..
the person JQ .."rubbed up the wrong way" was an ex AFP "person", right?
There's the answer.
The new to CASA guy that did my "investigation" was an ex NSW cop.
At least his move was a benefit for NSW citizens, but not to us, sadly.
Employing this personality type are all part of CASA's punitive approach to aviation "safety",... getcha and flogya.!
And the mind set of plods is that nobody can be doing anything.! without them thinking there is a criminal element in it. For them, brownie points for a 'knock -off' are the order of the day.
My !##@#!! was full of bluff and bullsh*t, and he's also got ideas WAY above
his station.
eg three of his reasons why a prosecution should proceed were..
1..Would not do an interview. Hullo? do I have a right to remain silent ?
2.. Showed no remorse.! Is this wacker a judge or something? HTF can you be remorseful about something that is a false accusation! And I never saw/met the bugger, so how would he know ? anything?
Nothing...JUST make it up.
3, Denied he did anything wrong. CASA: presumption of innocence does not apply here.
They know you are 'guilty' even before an "investigation" so denying it only makes it worse.
Oh dear!!! JUSTAR$E.. the CASA way
There's the answer.
The new to CASA guy that did my "investigation" was an ex NSW cop.
At least his move was a benefit for NSW citizens, but not to us, sadly.
Employing this personality type are all part of CASA's punitive approach to aviation "safety",... getcha and flogya.!
And the mind set of plods is that nobody can be doing anything.! without them thinking there is a criminal element in it. For them, brownie points for a 'knock -off' are the order of the day.
My !##@#!! was full of bluff and bullsh*t, and he's also got ideas WAY above
his station.
eg three of his reasons why a prosecution should proceed were..
1..Would not do an interview. Hullo? do I have a right to remain silent ?
2.. Showed no remorse.! Is this wacker a judge or something? HTF can you be remorseful about something that is a false accusation! And I never saw/met the bugger, so how would he know ? anything?
Nothing...JUST make it up.
3, Denied he did anything wrong. CASA: presumption of innocence does not apply here.
They know you are 'guilty' even before an "investigation" so denying it only makes it worse.
Oh dear!!! JUSTAR$E.. the CASA way
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Enquiry
Any one who has been treated the same way as me with the CASA email me.
I want an enquiry into how the CASA can conduct themselves in this manner.
I am getting a lot of support within the industry from fellow aviators and engineers alike.
We need to be united and stand together,it is only a matter of time before they pick on you if not already.
i believe they have a much bigger agenda than just small pilots.
Even if i never fly again i will not quit until theCASA are accountable for the way they waste tax payers money.
I want an enquiry into how the CASA can conduct themselves in this manner.
I am getting a lot of support within the industry from fellow aviators and engineers alike.
We need to be united and stand together,it is only a matter of time before they pick on you if not already.
i believe they have a much bigger agenda than just small pilots.
Even if i never fly again i will not quit until theCASA are accountable for the way they waste tax payers money.
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I agree - completely.
I know, I know. Help I'm melting. 
Where john’s story is sad and I have a great deal of sympathy for him, the real tragedy here is that John’s cautionary tale is only the tip of the iceberg.
Paul’s article serves to illuminate one easily understood AAT hearing. There have been many such travesties conducted over the last couple of years, much in the same style with the same result; a life, career and bank account decimated.
Solutions to John’s problem are thin on the ground and apart from lengthy, expensive court battles, which will end up back at the AAT there is nowhere else to go and no one to appeal to. Politicians mean well, but they are of little practical value, it’s too complex for the press to convey to the public and the industry seems incapable of getting behind even a simple issue like this and ‘sitting’ CASA on it’s well fed, tailored rump.
Almost everyone in GA has a CASA horror story, perhaps it’s time the industry fought back.
The skills, talent and horsepower required are available; I will start the ball rolling by volunteering my own.
Paul’s article serves to illuminate one easily understood AAT hearing. There have been many such travesties conducted over the last couple of years, much in the same style with the same result; a life, career and bank account decimated.
Solutions to John’s problem are thin on the ground and apart from lengthy, expensive court battles, which will end up back at the AAT there is nowhere else to go and no one to appeal to. Politicians mean well, but they are of little practical value, it’s too complex for the press to convey to the public and the industry seems incapable of getting behind even a simple issue like this and ‘sitting’ CASA on it’s well fed, tailored rump.
Almost everyone in GA has a CASA horror story, perhaps it’s time the industry fought back.
The skills, talent and horsepower required are available; I will start the ball rolling by volunteering my own.
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Regulation and Legal bullying
Regulation bullying is where a serial bully forces their target to comply with rules, regulations, procedures or laws regardless of their appropriateness, applicability or necessity. Legal bullying - the bringing of a vexatious legal action to control and punish a person - is one of the nastiest forms of bullying.
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hmhb after reading that article I've changed my mind, I think CASA are just reflecting the actions of the industry they are supposed to regulate!
Not sure about anyone else but a lot of that article reflected several past and present employers that I've worked for!
Not sure about anyone else but a lot of that article reflected several past and present employers that I've worked for!