C170 or 180 Aeronautical Minimums
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C170 or 180 Aeronautical Minimums
Hey Guys,
I've looked absolutely positively everywhere to find the required aeronautical minimums of your "Standard Insurance coverage" to see if i meet the cut in order to approach some private owners to do a bit of bush bashing in one
I've done about 15 hours command on an BL-8/8KCAB with 20 total Tail-wheel and am feeling its about time to move up onto something a little bigger with a little more range/capacity
Anyone own one on this board? PM's with info would be absolutely fantastic
and greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
WWP
I've looked absolutely positively everywhere to find the required aeronautical minimums of your "Standard Insurance coverage" to see if i meet the cut in order to approach some private owners to do a bit of bush bashing in one
I've done about 15 hours command on an BL-8/8KCAB with 20 total Tail-wheel and am feeling its about time to move up onto something a little bigger with a little more range/capacity
Anyone own one on this board? PM's with info would be absolutely fantastic
and greatly appreciated! Cheers,
WWP
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It all depends on how much you are prepared to pay and what the deductible is set at !!!!
More experience and clean history = less premium and lower deductible.
Negotiate with the Insurer, its about the terms of the Contract of Insurance.
More experience and clean history = less premium and lower deductible.
Negotiate with the Insurer, its about the terms of the Contract of Insurance.
to see if i meet the cut in order to approach some private owners to do a bit of bush bashing in one
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The only useful information i was able to glean from your post is that you own a taildragger
May you be so kind as to provide an amount of hours as a guide? Perhaps divided up into tail-wheel command and total aeronautical experience as something to work towards?
Thanks champ!
The only useful information i was able to glean from your post is that you own a taildragger
May you be so kind as to provide an amount of hours as a guide? Perhaps divided up into tail-wheel command and total aeronautical experience as something to work towards?
Thanks champ!
"Hi, how many hrs or $ do I need to take your very nice tail dragger into some very questionable strips with little or no experience for the purpose of practice?"
Good luck with that one. Aussie Bob gave you all the info you need.
Perhaps the best bet would be to ask a flying school if they will let you have a play on one of their larger Tail wheels first. Generally they are already paying a bucket for insurance anyway so your more likely to be set free in a school aircraft before a private one.
Good luck with that one. Aussie Bob gave you all the info you need.
Perhaps the best bet would be to ask a flying school if they will let you have a play on one of their larger Tail wheels first. Generally they are already paying a bucket for insurance anyway so your more likely to be set free in a school aircraft before a private one.
Sorry WWP, I can't help you here. For my insurance they asked my hours and gave an unspecified discount with me as sole pilot. Given that I have never tried to add another pilot I have no idea what they would charge as an extra.
I was verbally told that the tailwheel hours I have put me in the same premium catagory as for a nosedragger. (1500 plus).
I sometimes ferry ag planes. I have been told that I need 500 tailwheel hours or the excess will be huge. The excess is to cover groundloops. The ag operators always have to provide my name and hours to the insurers before I can fly.
It is a sad fact that tailwheel aircraft are mostly out of bounds to non owners. Pitty really as going bushbashing in one is great fun.
Sorry to be a bit dismissive in my first post and good luck in your search for a renta. Once long ago I cross hired a 185 and did a few tailwheel endorsements in it but I doubt love nor money would find me one again for hire in Aus.
I was verbally told that the tailwheel hours I have put me in the same premium catagory as for a nosedragger. (1500 plus).
I sometimes ferry ag planes. I have been told that I need 500 tailwheel hours or the excess will be huge. The excess is to cover groundloops. The ag operators always have to provide my name and hours to the insurers before I can fly.
It is a sad fact that tailwheel aircraft are mostly out of bounds to non owners. Pitty really as going bushbashing in one is great fun.
Sorry to be a bit dismissive in my first post and good luck in your search for a renta. Once long ago I cross hired a 185 and did a few tailwheel endorsements in it but I doubt love nor money would find me one again for hire in Aus.
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RMC read the post again, you obviously haven't understood what i asked for. 
The aircraft in the schools in my area don't have anything more 2 seats with 180HP with a 3 and a bit hour endurance
No worries! Thanks Bob!
The aircraft in the schools in my area don't have anything more 2 seats with 180HP with a 3 and a bit hour endurance
No worries! Thanks Bob!
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not sure where you are but the guys at camden have a 180 and so does the school at traralgon ,I was very lucky to get time in a mates C185 ,it doesn't happen often I'm told ,real shame cause they are a great aeroplane . I'm in an 8kcab at the moment and although it's good fun it aint a 185.
You should think of this as being similar to asking a Ferrari or Lamborghini owner to borrow (or rent) their car to attempt the Targa Tasmania. The answer is fairly predictable.
Avis and Hertz rent Falcons/Commodores/Camrys for a reason; anyone can drive them, and they usually return them in one piece. If they don't, the car can be replaced.
Ferraris, Lamborghinis and 180's are cherished by their owners, expensive to insure, and difficult to replace.
There is nothing wrong with your ambition to fly a 180, or, after gaining some experience in one, to trying a few more challenging strips. It may be that you have to amass either -
Avis and Hertz rent Falcons/Commodores/Camrys for a reason; anyone can drive them, and they usually return them in one piece. If they don't, the car can be replaced.
Ferraris, Lamborghinis and 180's are cherished by their owners, expensive to insure, and difficult to replace.
There is nothing wrong with your ambition to fly a 180, or, after gaining some experience in one, to trying a few more challenging strips. It may be that you have to amass either -
- quite a bit more experience, which may convince someone to loan or rent you one, or,
- quite a bit more cash, which may convince someone to sell you one.
My insurance is quite specific, named pilots who meet a minimum 10 hours dual with an approved instructor on the aircraft. 100 hours tail-wheel time and 1000 hours total time.
nz 185 insurance
I think the nail was hit on the head with the comment that insurance is used as an excuse rather than a reason not to hire them out.
Have added a Pilot on the insurance with about 300 hrs and 20 tailwheel it was no big deal. I started on them with 55hrs and a 5 hr rating at the age of 21, was often both scared and lucky but insurance was never an issue. But adding people on the policy IS a pain and just two very experienced Pilots plus myself are on it. It took 5 years to rebuild and would take about 5 seconds to groundloop or tip over. Very hard to replace in practice.
In short insurance companies tend to undercharge for low time on type but the owners are well aware of the risks. NZ and Aussie should be similar I believe its all done through Lloyds in the end.
Have added a Pilot on the insurance with about 300 hrs and 20 tailwheel it was no big deal. I started on them with 55hrs and a 5 hr rating at the age of 21, was often both scared and lucky but insurance was never an issue. But adding people on the policy IS a pain and just two very experienced Pilots plus myself are on it. It took 5 years to rebuild and would take about 5 seconds to groundloop or tip over. Very hard to replace in practice.
In short insurance companies tend to undercharge for low time on type but the owners are well aware of the risks. NZ and Aussie should be similar I believe its all done through Lloyds in the end.
Insurance can be a pain, but a necessary evil.
Despite having filled numerous logbooks, many of which are attributed to Cessna twins, including the C421, I could not hire a C421 because it was just too hard when it came to the insurance as a one off hire.
So the owner came with me!
Do I log that as PIC or CoPilot? Just kidding!
Despite having filled numerous logbooks, many of which are attributed to Cessna twins, including the C421, I could not hire a C421 because it was just too hard when it came to the insurance as a one off hire.
So the owner came with me!
Do I log that as PIC or CoPilot? Just kidding!
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Cheers for the input guys!
I suppose 100 hrs tail-wheel and 1000 total is as good enough ballpark figure as any!
Very much a 'catch 22'/'chicken and the egg' problem when it comes to getting time on these old tailwheelers
WWP
I suppose 100 hrs tail-wheel and 1000 total is as good enough ballpark figure as any!
Very much a 'catch 22'/'chicken and the egg' problem when it comes to getting time on these old tailwheelers
WWP
WWP,
You don't say your location, but, if you're near Perth, there is a Chippy at RACWA that is available for the practice and the sheer joy of flying one...
(It has been called - The Poor Man's Spitfire...)
But, NOT into 'marginal bush strips'......Just 'pretend' you are landing in a 'jungle' somewhere....all the time at a 'legal' and approved location....
Yep! - Its that darned insurance....again!!
Cheers
You don't say your location, but, if you're near Perth, there is a Chippy at RACWA that is available for the practice and the sheer joy of flying one...
(It has been called - The Poor Man's Spitfire...)
But, NOT into 'marginal bush strips'......Just 'pretend' you are landing in a 'jungle' somewhere....all the time at a 'legal' and approved location....
Yep! - Its that darned insurance....again!!
Cheers
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Griff; is that the one Ron now owns and leases to the Aeroclub?
Got a glider towing endorsement in a PA-25-235 for one of the glider clubs in the Perth hills which should help the situation perhaps after 6 months with regular work during the summer season!
Can only hope!
WWP
Got a glider towing endorsement in a PA-25-235 for one of the glider clubs in the Perth hills which should help the situation perhaps after 6 months with regular work during the summer season!
Can only hope!
WWP
