NZWN-Captain Only?
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NZWN-Captain Only?
Hi,
Heard a rumour that landing at NZWN is captain only landing for jets, I find this a bit hard to believe, can anyone confirm or deny? I'm only a PPL but surely the star and ils approach arent that complex according to the charts i've seen? Is it because of the nasty Kaukau wind?
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Heard a rumour that landing at NZWN is captain only landing for jets, I find this a bit hard to believe, can anyone confirm or deny? I'm only a PPL but surely the star and ils approach arent that complex according to the charts i've seen? Is it because of the nasty Kaukau wind?
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Not true, with my airline there is a rule, over 45kts on the ground must be Captain only.
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The ASI often reads more than 45 knots when taxiing at Wellington.
Did my first route check there as an F/O on one of the two days per year they get a crosswind. That was back in the day where Qantas actually flew to NZ with Qantas crews.
Did my first route check there as an F/O on one of the two days per year they get a crosswind. That was back in the day where Qantas actually flew to NZ with Qantas crews.
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Most max wind limits for company apply at WLG 60kts (jets and larger t-props) and 50kts (B1900) for most of the operators that go into there.
In reality the limiting factor for the aircraft (more so the pilots) is the shear and sev/extreme turbulence that can exist in those conditions. It can be a 40 - 60 knot wind from 350/010 and be fairly easy to deal with but 30 - 50 knot from 290/350 and my bet is that most operators will be bugging out, not after having a good crack at it
. Generally that is only as the front is passing and will ease within a few hours of the front, that creates these conditions, has passed.
The limiting factor is really the ground handling operations. When the loaders say no then it's more or less shut up shop.
In reality the limiting factor for the aircraft (more so the pilots) is the shear and sev/extreme turbulence that can exist in those conditions. It can be a 40 - 60 knot wind from 350/010 and be fairly easy to deal with but 30 - 50 knot from 290/350 and my bet is that most operators will be bugging out, not after having a good crack at it
. Generally that is only as the front is passing and will ease within a few hours of the front, that creates these conditions, has passed.The limiting factor is really the ground handling operations. When the loaders say no then it's more or less shut up shop.
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its always straight down 16 or 34..regardless of what the upper winds are doing..thanks to the hills etc. The challenge is that it goes 45kt...24kts..55kts..10kts on short finals sometimes. Well most times actually. The autothrottle can't handle it..the lighter your kite..the more the rug gets pulled out. Fun fun fun
Did my first route check there as an F/O on one of the two days per year they get a crosswind. That was back in the day where Qantas actually flew to NZ with Qantas crews.
Last edited by C441; 9th Sep 2011 at 04:44. Reason: Forgot Keg's quote
Virgin Australia - Captains only landing.
Speaker - why do you find it so surprising that an Airline chooses to apply an increased standard of safety to a specific port.
There is certainly more to the whole operation than flying the approach (STAR/ILS) into WLG.
Speaker - why do you find it so surprising that an Airline chooses to apply an increased standard of safety to a specific port.
There is certainly more to the whole operation than flying the approach (STAR/ILS) into WLG.
Thats weird... usually Virgin Australia ops and Pac Blue ops are the same..
PB - no rule, F.O can land and take off in NZWN...
only Queenstown is Cat X, captains only approach and landing...
PB - no rule, F.O can land and take off in NZWN...
only Queenstown is Cat X, captains only approach and landing...
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Qantas DC4 was a combined effort I believe but could be scuttlebutt....
"Right, tad blowy down there, I'll take stick you look after the throttles"
As a lad have been blown along a street in that god awful place.
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"Right, tad blowy down there, I'll take stick you look after the throttles"
As a lad have been blown along a street in that god awful place.
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When I used to take the C206 in there it was "Captain only" !
I recall on one occassion it was closed to the Boeings and Fokkers due X-wind, so I landed diagonally across the runway - but could not taxi clear.
Every time I tried to turn onto the taxiway the wind screwed me back around. They had to get some bods to come out and swing off the struts so that I could taxi!
That was back in the days when you could call Air NZ ground and get approval to taxi up beside a B737. The ground crew would take your pax luggage and load it onto the jet and a dolly was waiting at the bottom of the stairs with their boarding passes.
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I recall on one occassion it was closed to the Boeings and Fokkers due X-wind, so I landed diagonally across the runway - but could not taxi clear.
Every time I tried to turn onto the taxiway the wind screwed me back around. They had to get some bods to come out and swing off the struts so that I could taxi!
That was back in the days when you could call Air NZ ground and get approval to taxi up beside a B737. The ground crew would take your pax luggage and load it onto the jet and a dolly was waiting at the bottom of the stairs with their boarding passes.
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Wellington is a sh*t hole some days, but you go in there enough times you pretty much know where the "holes" and shear will be so you can be prepared for these. Don't get slow!! Impacts are shared between the crew in my outfit into WN.