Pelair aav contract
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Who needs to get a life here??'....sheeeeez....But TT' yr prolly right there 2 some degree but come back when you've got around a 1000 posts & we can discuss what options I have seeing as I don't have a woman to make my life miserable:-)
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), but still appreciate most of his posts. (Maybe I need to get a life too!)
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Wally; it was the previous government that awarded the contract. I am pretty sure the current government campaigned against Pelair winning it. You'd have to think if Pelair were that bad they would be out on their arse.
The tender was awarded because one tenderer scored higher on the tender assessment than the other tenderer, as are most tenders except when the government intervenes to favor a treasured sacred cow, for example the recent Australia Network tender (or your dream of the government intervening here).
I reckon I would agree with Wally that the RFDS are much better to work for than Pelair. I also think RFDS would be far better at recruiting and have far more applicants than the RFDS. I am sure their pilots are many times happier. The problem is, none of that is relevant with respect to contract performance. Companies don't get awarded contracts or keep them just because they have happy pilots. It is harder to do when your staff are unhappy, but sadly not impossible. Even companies that are a**holes to their employees can be very good at what they do. Look at the wider Rex Group, not many would say they are an employer of choice (they don't seem to be the nicest employer in the world) but no one can deny they are very good at what they do.
If Pelair blow the contract they'll lose it. If not they'll retain it. Not rocket science.
The tender was awarded because one tenderer scored higher on the tender assessment than the other tenderer, as are most tenders except when the government intervenes to favor a treasured sacred cow, for example the recent Australia Network tender (or your dream of the government intervening here).
I reckon I would agree with Wally that the RFDS are much better to work for than Pelair. I also think RFDS would be far better at recruiting and have far more applicants than the RFDS. I am sure their pilots are many times happier. The problem is, none of that is relevant with respect to contract performance. Companies don't get awarded contracts or keep them just because they have happy pilots. It is harder to do when your staff are unhappy, but sadly not impossible. Even companies that are a**holes to their employees can be very good at what they do. Look at the wider Rex Group, not many would say they are an employer of choice (they don't seem to be the nicest employer in the world) but no one can deny they are very good at what they do.
If Pelair blow the contract they'll lose it. If not they'll retain it. Not rocket science.
That's at least half the reason they contract the work out in the first place I reckon... Distance themselves from any culpability. But of course, should it work well, they'll be in the press spruking about it. It's politics 101. 
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Contracting has always been about contracting out the problem! Hence the reason you pay more for a contract than you do if you pay wages to your own staff (when things are going right at least)
There have always been patients who will die waiting to be retrieved, NT VIC or elsewhere. Who's to say they will live if they get to a bigger getter hospital always. The best of medical science cannot reverse years of poor diet and lifestyle.
Anyways always better that the patient die waiting to be retrieved than the crew die "rushing" to get there - marginal weather - limited planning - pressing necessity - sick sick come quick etc!
There have always been patients who will die waiting to be retrieved, NT VIC or elsewhere. Who's to say they will live if they get to a bigger getter hospital always. The best of medical science cannot reverse years of poor diet and lifestyle.
Anyways always better that the patient die waiting to be retrieved than the crew die "rushing" to get there - marginal weather - limited planning - pressing necessity - sick sick come quick etc!
That's all well and good, GCS16, but those were not the circumstances within the cases in question. The patients shouldn't have waited the enormous lengths of time they did and would have survived if they weren't stuck in the hands of a nurse who's resources were limited.
Can you please elaborate or provide a source for this? I don't understand how the retrieval service in NT could be worse than under the previous contract, quite the opposite. Has there yet been a survey of patient outcomes for patients authorised for retrieval? If so it would likely be publicly available.
In fact they'd be taking a pay cut for working longer hours in an FO gig with Virgin or Jetstar which probably explains their excellent retention rate.Not flogged,good rosters, good equipment,fair management.
.In fact they'd be taking a pay cut for working longer hours in an FO gig with Virgin or Jetstar which probably explains their excellent retention rate
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Another (very experienced) chum has quit the AAV gig, unable to justify getting $80k/year to work 5 on/1 off with mandatory shift extensions up to 15 hours if required.
To quote him: I don't want to be the flaming hole in the ground, which will happen sooner or later.
To quote him: I don't want to be the flaming hole in the ground, which will happen sooner or later.
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Good post, Mostly true. They are still under the interim contract as far as I know but now the dead wood has been pruned they are very well placed to conform when the new contract begins on Jan 1 of next year.
I know FO's at Virgin and J*, I also know one or two pilots at CF. You might want to revise that one.
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Good post, Mostly true. They are still under the interim contract as far as I know but now the dead wood has been pruned they are very well placed to conform when the new contract begins on Jan 1 of next year.
In fact they'd be taking a pay cut for working longer hours in an FO gig with Virgin or Jetstar
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PELAIR have lost enough pilots now that they can't fill some of the shifts and other times flights don't go ahead because pilots can't extend their shifts (beyond the rostered 12 hrs) due to the the FRMS.
Starting to cop some contract breaches. Would like to know how much it costs them each time. Better than a weeks wages for a pilot I'm guessing.
Starting to cop some contract breaches. Would like to know how much it costs them each time. Better than a weeks wages for a pilot I'm guessing.
