Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

CT4-B Aircraft / Flight Screening

The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

CT4-B Aircraft / Flight Screening

Old 30th Jul 2011, 00:45
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Queensland Australia
Age: 27
Posts: 59
CT4-B Aircraft / Flight Screening

Hi All,
I am going on RAAF Flight screening in a few weeks, and will be on the Advanced Course as I have my PPL. Knowing that the advanced is going to be more challenging, I thought it might be a good thing to get into a CT4-B before hand and get familiar with the layout etc, just to take 1 of the challenges out of the equation. I live on the Sunshine Coast in QLD (1 hr north of Brisbane), so i was wondering if there was one anywhere in SE QLD? I don't know of one on the coast, but maybe in Brisbane, Toowoomba, or out west somewhere a bit?

Also please make any comments on flight screening that might help me get through it, as I am proud to have gotten this far but nervous as it is the make or break for my entry in the RAAF next year.

Cheers guys,
Jake
jnicholas is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 01:22
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Over there
Posts: 36
CT4-B

G'day Mate, There was one at the Sunshine Coast a few years ago. Maybe check at the Aero Club. Also there is one in Mackay which I seen getting around a few months ago. If you call Air Pioneer up there on 4957661 and they should be able to point you in the right direction.
Good Luck.
Bug4514 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 01:26
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,099
Contact Matt Handley at Aerotec, Toowoomba.
djpil is online now  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 01:26
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Queensland Australia
Age: 27
Posts: 59
Thanks I will give Mackay and Toowoomba a call. There used to be one at Fogarty's Aviation when I was there many years ago, haven't seen it in ages though.

Last edited by jnicholas; 30th Jul 2011 at 01:41.
jnicholas is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 02:07
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 95
+1 for Matt Handley at Toowoomba. His aircraft is a CT4-E, but I imagine they're very similar.
Steve888 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 02:17
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 19
Try Gympie Aero club/ if its not them they will know who owns it? I know there is one in a syndicate/ share club hanger up there.
345789 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 02:35
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 238
Hi - You might find someone with a Victa/AESL Airtourer. Will handle similarly as they're both derived from the original Airtourer.

Or you could try an Alpha - a similar low wing, tricycle, bubble-canopy aerobatic aircraft.

I wouldn't be too fussed about the specific aircraft - they're not going to expect you to be familiar with the layout. Would be more useful to be reasonably current - just go flying. Also perhaps get familiar with some unusual attitudes - go flying with aerobatics instructor, perhaps get a spin endorsement (hour or two of good fun

Good luck.
drpixie is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 02:52
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: SE Aus
Posts: 129
Jake,

DrPixie's comments re familiarity are correct. As far as I recall, the Flight Screening Program (FSP) is deliberately designed to avoid the candidate needing to know the detailed cockpit layout and checklists. Generally speaking (at least for the basic FSP), the instructor will complete all checks and radio procedures.

You will be briefed extensively at FSP on the required workcycles, procedures, techniques and airmanship points. In a reasonably short program, these are more highly valued by the ADF than the candidates' ability to know the checklists and switchology.

I also agree that some recent flying might help, but beware FSP will be demanding on very disciplined attitude setting, trimming and workcycles, so don't go out and just enjoy the view if you decide to get flying before you go.

Hope this helps.

VI
Victor India is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 03:02
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 28
CT4 and Flight screening

jnicholas,
Check your PMs.
AR

Last edited by Ancient Rotorhead; 30th Jul 2011 at 05:53. Reason: salutation
Ancient Rotorhead is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 07:45
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 57
Posts: 952
VI and DrPixie are on the money.

IMHO, they will want to see how you perform flying their workcycles, procedures, etc.

The way that they fly the aircraft may well be very different to how you fly. They know this, and will be interested in how you adjust to their way of flying.

In any case, the advanced course you'll do around half your flights in a CAP10(tailwheel a/c). If you want to prepare, perhaps get some t/w time.

Suggest you also do some IF time in a flight school SIM.

Having said all that, your raw flying ability isn't the full determinant on how you go. Your attitude over the two weeks will be assessed, as well as how you go during the team exercises and the interviews. Plenty of people who fly really well get scrubbed during the latter part of the assessments.

There are a few threads on this in D&G. Suggest you do a search for more pointers.

DIVOSH!

(Disclaimer: I did my assessment in 2004 so some parts may have changed)
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 07:49
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,099
The CAP 10 is no longer used.
djpil is online now  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 08:53
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 57
Posts: 952
Disregard my comments on the CAP10, then...

Pity. Was fun to fly.

DIVOSH!
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 09:22
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 55
The latest news Aircombat Australia in Camden has 2 CT4E's and conducts military style training for students wanting a head start in flight screening
Buck Rogers is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 09:40
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Age: 57
Posts: 122
Matt Handley used to (maybe still does) flight screening for the RAAF, and has a CT4 with, IIRC, the IO-540 engine, so would be a good choice.
HappyJack260 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 11:51
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SE Qld, Australia
Age: 73
Posts: 996
It's so obvious: Matt Handley at Toowoomba!
Dora-9 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2011, 23:45
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 55
If its flight screening your trying to get through ,formation flying is a must and you need more than 1 CT4 ,it's obvious
Buck Rogers is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2011, 00:49
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NSW
Age: 60
Posts: 150
There is a specific flight screening thread...all your questions will be answered there.

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...am-merged.html

About formation in flight screening...there is none. That comes at Pearce for the RAAF/RAN and much later in BFTS for the Army.

In my view, there is no need or benefit in flying the CT4B before screening. Your knowledge will be assumed to be zero and you will be taught what you need to know when you need to know it. The cost of my advice is the same as the cost to you for the flight screening itself...nothing. People who advise otherwise are probably wanting you to give them money. Tread warily.
DBTW is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2011, 09:26
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Victoria
Age: 58
Posts: 984
Matt Handley used to (maybe still does) flight screening for the RAAF
Matt Handley never did (and still does not) do flight screening for the RAAF, and the website for the company for which he is the C.P. does not advertise as such. Flight screening for the
ADF
is done at Tamworth by the Pilot Selction Agency - no-one else.
There is a mis-conception that experience on a CT4-E will give one the edge at the FSP. If FSP candidates want to spend money flying Matt's CT-4, well good for them. I'm sure Matt is a fine instructor, but the fact is he has no experience in the role.
If its flight screening your trying to get through ,formation flying is a must and you need more than 1 CT4 ,it's obvious
Bullsh*t!
Formation flying is not done done on the FSP.
Finally, what DBTW said - look at the comprehensive thread that already exists.

Last edited by Captain Sand Dune; 2nd Aug 2011 at 22:26.
Captain Sand Dune is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2011, 09:27
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Queensland
Posts: 1
Having learnt to fly in Toowoomba with Matt, I feel qualified to answer this question. Without doubt he is your go to man. His machine, (VH-CTZ) is an immaculate CT-4E with the full 300hp AEIO-540. Whilst it isn't the 'B' model that the RAAF use, it will certainly give you an edge on anyone without any CT-4 time. He has shown many now RAAF pilots how to handle the CT-4 and you won't find a more professional operator IMO
yakkman52 is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2011, 10:03
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 55
Old Sand Dune
let me tell you when the air force has an intake of students and the end result is an arm wrestle due to not having the funds to train them all as there are plenty of pilot standing around as we speak ,, it comes down to a lot of issues but what I can tell you if you have the same aptitude and skills base as the guy standing next to you , but you have a little more knowledge and experience than the next guy ,,,,well that's how it works old Sand dune..
Buck Rogers is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.