Fxed Reserve Use.
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Fxed Reserve Use.
There has been some different opinions regarding the use of Fixed Reserve.
1. Can you use the Fixed Reserve?
2. If not under what circumstances can the Fixed Reserve be used?
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beyes
1. Can you use the Fixed Reserve?
2. If not under what circumstances can the Fixed Reserve be used?
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beyes
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In a nutshell (I don't give long-winded answers) -
1. Yes (see next answer).
2. Stuck gear, stuck flaps etc on arrival overhead the destination/alternate,
or any emergency situation that deems its use in order to stay alive in one
piece.
1. Yes (see next answer).
2. Stuck gear, stuck flaps etc on arrival overhead the destination/alternate,
or any emergency situation that deems its use in order to stay alive in one
piece.
No, you can't use it. If you get down to FR you must shut down the engines and crash where you are........
You can't PLAN to use it, but of course you can if you have no choice- under most sets of legislation it would be classed as an emergency, however.
You can't PLAN to use it, but of course you can if you have no choice- under most sets of legislation it would be classed as an emergency, however.
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There if you need it
Always plan to be on the ground, with your fixed reserve still intact.
If you are still airborne, and using your fixed reserve, consider yourself entering a "fuel emergency" phase, and react accordingly, depending on the circumstances. eg, on approach somewhere, (if visual) no big deal.
If you are still airborne, and using your fixed reserve, consider yourself entering a "fuel emergency" phase, and react accordingly, depending on the circumstances. eg, on approach somewhere, (if visual) no big deal.
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CAAP 234-1 Guidelines for aircraft fuel requirements
As defined in the following link to CAAP
CAAP 234-1 Guidelines for aircraft fuel requirements
fixed fuel reserve means an amount of fuel, expressed as a
period of time holding at 1 500 feet above an aerodrome at
standard atmospheric conditions, that may be used for
unplanned manoeuvring in the vicinity of the aerodrome at
which it is proposed to land, and that would normally be
retained in the aircraft until the final landing.
period of time holding at 1 500 feet above an aerodrome at
standard atmospheric conditions, that may be used for
unplanned manoeuvring in the vicinity of the aerodrome at
which it is proposed to land, and that would normally be
retained in the aircraft until the final landing.
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PA39 posted:-
So PA39, are you going to provide the difinitive answer or just debunk the CAAP?
Please refer to the blue shaded box to the left of the front page of CAAP 234-1.
Also refer to CAR 234 (3)(d)
A CAAP is just that....and advisory publication. It is not a Reg.
Please refer to the blue shaded box to the left of the front page of CAAP 234-1.
This publication is only advisory
but it gives a CASA preferred
method for complying with the
Civil Aviation Regulations (CARs)
1988.
It is not the only method, but
experience has shown that if you
follow this method you will
comply with the Civil Aviation
Regulations.
Always read this advice in
conjunction with the appropriate
regulations.
but it gives a CASA preferred
method for complying with the
Civil Aviation Regulations (CARs)
1988.
It is not the only method, but
experience has shown that if you
follow this method you will
comply with the Civil Aviation
Regulations.
Always read this advice in
conjunction with the appropriate
regulations.
Last edited by Paul O'Rourke; 23rd Jul 2011 at 00:47. Reason: Maintain consistency of responses
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So PA39, are you going to provide the difinitive answer or just debunk the CAAP?
The "definitive" answer to the original question: YES, you can consume fixed reserve fuel.
Most company ops manuals I have seen stick to the CAAP or something very similar. Private Ops I guess you can burn it but buyer beware, if something goes wrong you don't really have a leg to stand on, as the lawyers will reference the CAAP.
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Once you have used some of your fixed reserve you then fill in an ASIR to explain why you needed to!
Most company ops manuals I have seen stick to the CAAP or something very similar. Private Ops I guess you can burn it but buyer beware, if something goes wrong you don't really have a leg to stand on, as the lawyers will reference the CAAP.
For a commercial operation (that references the CAAP in its fuel policy), however, if the lawyers are after you, it won't be because you deviated from the fuel policy, it will be because you ran out of fuel.
In which case, the rule they will get you on is CAR 234, which states "thou shalt not run out of fuel".
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I am sure your insurance company will agree with you.
Next time you park your aeroplane with next to no fuel why don't you ring up your local Casa inspector and ask for a ramp check!
Next time you park your aeroplane with next to no fuel why don't you ring up your local Casa inspector and ask for a ramp check!
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Next time you park your aeroplane with next to no fuel why don't you ring up your local Casa inspector and ask for a ramp check!
If you are a private operation, then the only rule you may have broken is the one relating to submission of a report.
If a commercial operation, then whether you have broken anything depends on what it says in the "fuel policy" section of your operations manual.
Last edited by FGD135; 23rd Jul 2011 at 06:59.
Further to what Capt Fathom wrote, it is my belief that the Fixed Reserve is ALWAYS used in fuel starvation situations. You hardly ever read a fuel starvation IR where it has not been entirely utilised.
Fixed Reserve is ALWAYS used in fuel starvation situations.
Doesn't the proposed part 91 require an aircraft to land with a Thirty minute reserve intact? Presumably with prosecution occurring if you don't?
This seems to be a form of the old storemans lament - "but if I give you our only spare part to fit, then we won't have a spare!
This seems to be a form of the old storemans lament - "but if I give you our only spare part to fit, then we won't have a spare!
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'tankeng' exactly, reed yr Ops manual (if you have one) 'Sunny' correct you need to land with the fixed res intact, all other fuel loaded at the planing stage is usable. Obviously the fixed res IS available should it be needed as a last resort but regardless of what the Regs say IF you find yourself dipping into it then declare a fuel emerg get the flying machine on the ground in a safe manor fill out the paperwork & learn from the exercise.
I've always considered the fixed res fuel unavail at the planning stage, it's there as a legal requirement but also as a last resort to help save yr dumb ass!!.
Wmk2
I've always considered the fixed res fuel unavail at the planning stage, it's there as a legal requirement but also as a last resort to help save yr dumb ass!!.
Wmk2