Skywest All Stations Calls on Centre
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Skywest All Stations Calls on Centre
Why do Skywest give all stations calls on the centre frequency when taxying in the Class D zone at Broome? Why block up the center frequency, depending on which frequencies linked, for a radius of up to 500 nm. If every operator did this taxying at Broome, the frequency would be in chaos! Is this requirement a CASA or AirServices requirement, or is it just to scare off the VFR traffice?
Dog One, you're being a bit harsh there. As you are aware, VFR do not need to be even on the R/T in E, however they are encouraged to monitor the E frequency. The only way they are going to find out if they are going to get speared by a jet launching out of a Class D CTR is if they get told by the jet they are on the way before takeoff. The first call on Centre after takeoff doesn't cut it either: "Bla Bla Bla Climbing to FL340, DONDI at 35". Hardly enough info (or time) for Joe VFR at 6500ft flying past Broome to make any decisions about a confliction and then announcing.
So a broadcast on Centre during taxi is understandable. QF does it too sometimes. As for workload, the same taxi broadcast would have been made had the Tower not been there so I can't see why the Centre freq would become chaotic.
The fundamentalist NAStronauts, of course, will argue that TCAS will save the day. That's the TCAS in a non-radar environment that probably has never been checked (or is it on?).
All a result of the NAStronauts insisting on E over D.
Problem solvered when ADS-B is mandated for all aircraft soon.
No more broadcasts required.
Whilst on the subject, CASA hasn't caught up with a broadcast prior to entering E on descent either. We have to make one into G, so what's the diff with descending into E?
So a broadcast on Centre during taxi is understandable. QF does it too sometimes. As for workload, the same taxi broadcast would have been made had the Tower not been there so I can't see why the Centre freq would become chaotic.
The fundamentalist NAStronauts, of course, will argue that TCAS will save the day. That's the TCAS in a non-radar environment that probably has never been checked (or is it on?).
All a result of the NAStronauts insisting on E over D.
Problem solvered when ADS-B is mandated for all aircraft soon.
No more broadcasts required.Whilst on the subject, CASA hasn't caught up with a broadcast prior to entering E on descent either. We have to make one into G, so what's the diff with descending into E?
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Oh for F#*% sake, why worry? Try having 2 VHF(AM) 1 VHF(FM) 1 UHF and a HF all going all at once.. 
Learn to ignore the rubbish and pick out important bits.
We are really becoming a soft bunch, are we not paid to use our brain power?
Learn to ignore the rubbish and pick out important bits.
We are really becoming a soft bunch, are we not paid to use our brain power?
Ahh, safety Dog and avoiding the TCAS RAs.
If you want to walk with the big dogs, you gotta learn to piss in the long grass !!!!
I await the sarcastic remarks with pleasure ! That I won't answer.
Good work Skywest, VFR private pilots have NFI about the dramas that are caused by some clown in a 172 popping up in front of their windsreen on descent. I have seen it and it's ugly, VFR traffic with the transponder turned off in a high density traffic area not talking on the radio F/O ! Sense of humour failure and the swearing begins ! And yes I once was a VFR Cessna pilot and I knew how to use a radio and turn on a transponder !
If you want to walk with the big dogs, you gotta learn to piss in the long grass !!!!
I await the sarcastic remarks with pleasure ! That I won't answer.
Good work Skywest, VFR private pilots have NFI about the dramas that are caused by some clown in a 172 popping up in front of their windsreen on descent. I have seen it and it's ugly, VFR traffic with the transponder turned off in a high density traffic area not talking on the radio F/O ! Sense of humour failure and the swearing begins ! And yes I once was a VFR Cessna pilot and I knew how to use a radio and turn on a transponder !
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Bloggsie you fool....You were told there would be no problems with the E over D 
......get with the game mate 
Dick and leadsled said so.
hehehe
J
PS Sounds like the Skywest folk have been thinking about how best to mitigate the risks.
......get with the game mate Dick and leadsled said so.hehehe
J
PS Sounds like the Skywest folk have been thinking about how best to mitigate the risks.
Ever seen what a wedding cake looks like after 100's of people have had their hands on it?
PS: With ledsled picking up the crumbs...
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You were told there would be no problems with the E over D
Oh, hang on, I won't hear anything then will I? 
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Following SOP's is something that should be done even if it does not seem logical to some, if you do it by the book no one can throw said book at you in the future.
To many pilots try and re invent the the wheel, check lists, SOP's, radio calls ect.
Skywest guys and girls I have come across seem to know what they are doing and all seem to show great airmanship going into ctaf's ect.... I am still happy we both have TCAS when passing each other though
To many pilots try and re invent the the wheel, check lists, SOP's, radio calls ect.
Skywest guys and girls I have come across seem to know what they are doing and all seem to show great airmanship going into ctaf's ect.... I am still happy we both have TCAS when passing each other though
Most QF crews will also make the same call taxiing at Karratha (as well as Broome). Makes sense to me, and takes a total of about 10 seconds of airwave time.
Bring on ADSB for everyone and get rid of Class D and E altogether!
Bring on ADSB for everyone and get rid of Class D and E altogether!
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Bloggs....hehehe
No....that was clear rational thought. Around some parts I can assure you that you will collect more ears on the radio there! Scary init
No....that was clear rational thought. Around some parts I can assure you that you will collect more ears on the radio there! Scary init
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The book was written long before some folk came along and moved the goal posts.
Now you have to improvise.
See where it works in the USA they have radar to augment the information loop. No such thing up there in WA.
Now you have to improvise.
See where it works in the USA they have radar to augment the information loop. No such thing up there in WA.
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IT was common with Macair when operating on the milkrun between Isa-Birdsville-Bris as well. Ansett did it as well when they ran the ALice-Tennant-Katherine-darwin run.
Situation awareness.. I fly a Jab160 @ 86knts.. about 8 min from the 10 mile call till I'm over the airfield. It's nice to know what's coming in my direction when I'm still on decent from 5000' outside the 10mile limit..
I've noticed that Skywest tend to do a very high rate decent / climbs into and out of most aerodromes so that awareness of both our postions becomes even more important. (understand the reasoning so not a hit at skywest).
Situation awareness.. I fly a Jab160 @ 86knts.. about 8 min from the 10 mile call till I'm over the airfield. It's nice to know what's coming in my direction when I'm still on decent from 5000' outside the 10mile limit..
I've noticed that Skywest tend to do a very high rate decent / climbs into and out of most aerodromes so that awareness of both our postions becomes even more important. (understand the reasoning so not a hit at skywest).