GPS Vulnerable
Less than $500 is all you need to build a fully autonomous flying vehicle. It helps if you can write a spot of bug-free C code though and testing it could be slightly cumbersome. There's a few HIL solutions for the initial de-bug though but that will only get you so far.
Really though, if it isn't this, it's another method and making something illegal isn't going to stop it - the data to build thsi stuff is already out there. Heck, you can write some code for your Android telephone to control your UAV thesedays and have it ring through a five-mile call to the destination...
I hope Australia isn't stupid enough to tie this growth industry all up in useless red tape.
Really though, if it isn't this, it's another method and making something illegal isn't going to stop it - the data to build thsi stuff is already out there. Heck, you can write some code for your Android telephone to control your UAV thesedays and have it ring through a five-mile call to the destination...
I hope Australia isn't stupid enough to tie this growth industry all up in useless red tape.
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Also using GPS as a targeting system is a simple way to 'get at' an increasingly GPS reliant Australia. i.e, how do you stop terrorists using GPS as a targeting system, you turn it off or restrict its use - Terrorist mission accomplished.
Yes, they were the good days when we were allowed to have mobile phones, but when the terrorists started using them, the government had no choice but to take them all away from us.
I miss my mobile phone...
via Andy_RR: Less than $500 is all you need to build a fully autonomous flying vehicle. It helps if you can write a spot of bug-free C code though and testing it could be slightly cumbersome. There's a few HIL solutions for the initial de-bug though but that will only get you so far.
Really though, if it isn't this, it's another method and making something illegal isn't going to stop it - the data to build this stuff is already out there. Heck, you can write some code for your Android telephone to control your UAV these days and have it ring through a five-mile call to the destination...
I hope Australia isn't stupid enough to tie this growth industry all up in useless red tape.
Really though, if it isn't this, it's another method and making something illegal isn't going to stop it - the data to build this stuff is already out there. Heck, you can write some code for your Android telephone to control your UAV these days and have it ring through a five-mile call to the destination...
I hope Australia isn't stupid enough to tie this growth industry all up in useless red tape.
As i've posted in other threads an Oz based terror group would more then likely get rounded up before they launched anything.
...on the other hand though, an offshore launched GPS guided UAV bomb probably wouldn't be noticed until it made some noise. Then where did it come from?, who sent it?, when's the next one arriving..?
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You will find that the defence forces have "countermeasures" against someone trying to use GPS guidance in a weapon.
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Also using GPS as a targeting system is a simple way to 'get at' an increasingly GPS reliant Australia. i.e, how do you stop terrorists using GPS as a targeting system, you turn it off or restrict its use - Terrorist mission accomplished.
baswell, when you buy a mobile phone sim card is there any paper work to fill in ? ...things like I.D etc. ...why do you think yer have to do it ? Do you think if yer phone sim card were found at the scene of a bomb blast that nobody would know it were your card ? Repeatability options zero..
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via baswell: Very true, GPS will go the way of the mobile phone soon. Remember when we used to have mobile phones and terrorists started using then to detonate bombs, killing hundreds on crowded trains? Then came suicide bombers that didn't have a trigger button themselves anymore; their "mate" blew them up from a distance. Not to mention all the soldiers that have died in GSM-triggered roadside bombs...
Yes, they were the good days when we were allowed to have mobile phones, but when the terrorists started using them, the government had no choice but to take them all away from us.
I miss my mobile phone...
Yes, they were the good days when we were allowed to have mobile phones, but when the terrorists started using them, the government had no choice but to take them all away from us.
I miss my mobile phone...
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baswell, when you buy a mobile phone sim card is there any paper work to fill in ? ...things like I.D etc. ...why do you think yer have to do it ? Do you think if yer phone sim card were found at the scene of a bomb blast that nobody would know it were your card ? Repeatability options zero..
Besides, no forms to fill out for pre-paid. Answer a few questions to a voice response system and done. Make up some BS; steal an identity, easy.
Can you enlighten me *how* this shutting down or restricting of GPS by the Australian government would work anyway?
Maybe they can convince the US to enable SA over our continent? 1970s encryption technology vs. 2011 teenage hackers. Good luck!
Besides, no forms to fill out for pre-paid. Answer a few questions to a voice response system and done. Make up some BS; steal an identity, easy.
Can you enlighten me *how* this shutting down or restricting of GPS by the Australian government would work anyway?
Maybe they can convince the US to enable SA over our continent? 1970s encryption technology vs. 2011 teenage hackers. Good luck!
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Your logic continues to be along the lines of ... we need to take cars off the road, as someone might crash .... we need to take cigarette lighters off asylum seekers, because they may burn down our property ....we need to destroy all guns, because someone might shoot someone.
All these " bad things" have come to pass to some extent, and we are aware of it. However, we, as a community, have put what preventative measures we can in place and then we have decided to live with the residual risk .... as a cost of doing life.
That's where GPS-Guided Buzz Bombs fit in also ... yes, we acknowledge they might happen, but taking all the various probabilities, likelihoods, preventions and consequences into consideration, we have decided to take that risk.
Let it rest. We know ... cars might crash.
Your logic continues to be along the lines of ... we need to take cars off the road, as someone might crash .... we need to take cigarette lighters off asylum seekers, because they may burn down our property ....we need to destroy all guns, because someone might shoot someone.
All these " bad things" have come to pass to some extent, and we are aware of it. However, we, as a community, have put what preventative measures we can in place and then we have decided to live with the residual risk .... as a cost of doing life.
That's where GPS-Guided Buzz Bombs fit in also ... yes, we acknowledge they might happen, but taking all the various probabilities, likelihoods, preventions and consequences into consideration, we have decided to take that risk.
Let it rest. We know ... cars might crash.
via peuce: FB Your logic continues to be along the lines of... ...we need to take cigarette lighters off asylum seekers, because they may burn down our property...
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via peuce:
...All these " bad things" have come to pass to some extent, and we are aware of it. However, we, as a community, have put what preventative measures we can in place and then we have decided to live with the residual risk .... as a cost of doing life....
...All these " bad things" have come to pass to some extent, and we are aware of it. However, we, as a community, have put what preventative measures we can in place and then we have decided to live with the residual risk .... as a cost of doing life....
IMO, what offshore launched GPS guided UAV terror weapons offer is a way for terrorists to strike Oz with a minimal chance of our security services being able to detect the devices before they arrive, and likely bugger all chance of working out when the next one (or a dozen) will arrive. There are more and more reports of terrorists developing UAV's so it is just a matter of time.
...That's where GPS-Guided Buzz Bombs fit in also ... yes, we acknowledge they might happen, but taking all the various probabilities, likelihoods, preventions and consequences into consideration, we have decided to take that risk...
peuce, what preventions do we have ?
"consequences" peuce, GPS guided UAV bombs are not like the footy bombers where the worst case scenario is they get to blow up some spectators though are caught soon after. They are devices launched well away from any mainland security services that will likely upset the plot before launch.
Once there is the first succes, they will just keep comming...
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At the risk of prolonging this issue, I guess I owe you an answer.
(a)
I was trying to be nice. Trying to be diplomatic.
I don't really think there is a risk ... from onshore, or offshore.
(b)
BUT ... if there is a risk, and if you know about it, I can only assume that our Civil Defence organisations also know about it ... and I trust them to have considered and prepared appropriate counter measures.
(c)
If they have .... we're safe.
(d)
If they haven't, we'll, we're stuffed
Personally, I'm relying on (a)
If I'm wrong, then I'm relying on (c)
If I'm still wrong .... that's life (and death).. I'm not going to loose too much sleep over it.
I'm more worried about the 167 Bus that screams around the corner each time I try and cross the road.
(a)
I was trying to be nice. Trying to be diplomatic.
I don't really think there is a risk ... from onshore, or offshore.
(b)
BUT ... if there is a risk, and if you know about it, I can only assume that our Civil Defence organisations also know about it ... and I trust them to have considered and prepared appropriate counter measures.
(c)
If they have .... we're safe.
(d)
If they haven't, we'll, we're stuffed
Personally, I'm relying on (a)
If I'm wrong, then I'm relying on (c)
If I'm still wrong .... that's life (and death).. I'm not going to loose too much sleep over it.
I'm more worried about the 167 Bus that screams around the corner each time I try and cross the road.
