Ideas / suggestions for a twin
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Which were originally designed to pump oil in Canada
The -20 is old, a bit temperature sensitive and prone to chewing up hot sections, compared to later PT6s including the -27/-34 family and it's derivitives.
The Cessna 425 uses -112's that are nicely derated to only 450 ESHP. Fit a Shadin ECTM and monitor trends, regular compressor washes, boroscope at regular intervals and the engines should be totally trouble free.
I'm having some difficulty following this thread.
Trimed has asked for some advice on a future aircraft purchase.
Plenty of advice forthcoming.
However, Trimed seems to be unhappy with some of the replies!
Well it is pprune after all, not an aircraft brokerage service!
Maybe Trimed should pay for an aircraft broker and get some professional advice!
Trimed has asked for some advice on a future aircraft purchase.
Plenty of advice forthcoming.
However, Trimed seems to be unhappy with some of the replies!
Well it is pprune after all, not an aircraft brokerage service!
Maybe Trimed should pay for an aircraft broker and get some professional advice!
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Not to mention he didn't even acknowledge my suggestion...
Oh well he probably wouldn't have been able to keep up anyway!
Oh well he probably wouldn't have been able to keep up anyway!
I work for a company who is going through the motions of upgrading our (very nice 800 hour old) Cessna 206 to something faster and with better payload. My boss has a liking for things that go fast and are new, and will no doubt end up with a CJ1/2 or similar one day. The problem with a jet at the moment is that the new aircraft will be the first twin added to an AOC and i dont like my chances of getting a Chief Pilot approval to operate a citation or kingair with my hours.
My boss is quite sold on the Vulcanair P68 as they are quite economical and the only aircraft out of the 3 piston twins in production that is certified for 7 seats to fit his family of 6 and myself (yes the rear seat is available as a bench and will fit the 3 smallest children).
The other options for a new piston twin are the G58 baron and Seneca. Im endorsed on both and with The G58 costing $1.5M+ and having less useful load than the P68 and burning over 130 Lp/h it doesnt make any sense. The Seneca is a Seneca and that is enough said.
We are based in Mildura and there is a lot of legs between 100 and 250NM that are done privately with only 2 or 3 passengers, but for charter operations it would be nice to carry up to 5 passengers to Essendon/Adelaide/Albury/Canberra etc. and perhaps Bankstown
My boss is quite sold on the Vulcanair P68 as they are quite economical and the only aircraft out of the 3 piston twins in production that is certified for 7 seats to fit his family of 6 and myself (yes the rear seat is available as a bench and will fit the 3 smallest children).
The other options for a new piston twin are the G58 baron and Seneca. Im endorsed on both and with The G58 costing $1.5M+ and having less useful load than the P68 and burning over 130 Lp/h it doesnt make any sense. The Seneca is a Seneca and that is enough said.
We are based in Mildura and there is a lot of legs between 100 and 250NM that are done privately with only 2 or 3 passengers, but for charter operations it would be nice to carry up to 5 passengers to Essendon/Adelaide/Albury/Canberra etc. and perhaps Bankstown
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I was keeping up with ya
Beachie and I drooled over one at Oshkosh last year sexy as bro!
I was keeping up with ya
Beachie and I drooled over one at Oshkosh last year sexy as bro!
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When you donate a million or two that you are secretly hiding from the mrs HH.
I have photo of beach with one...... I swear there was a bulge in his shorts too, or his iPhone perhaps
Edit.....found it
I have photo of beach with one...... I swear there was a bulge in his shorts too, or his iPhone perhaps
Edit.....found it
Hey 'Tin' that's a great shot, donks look too big for the frame though.
You guys have gotta take a look at the U-Tube Vid of it, what a beast! Landing looked like it was still at crz speed!:-) And the SE Turbine version, the yanks are nuts!
Many years ago in TW there was a green colored Aerostar 701 I think the owner called it (his interpretation I believe) a one off airframe as far as I know custom fitted out with 425 HP twin turbo'd 4 bladed pops that took the machine to VNE in the cruise. Flew in it once with the owner, the fastest machine I'd ever seen!
It was destroyed on the ground by fire late one night in suspicious circumstances I believe.
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You guys have gotta take a look at the U-Tube Vid of it, what a beast! Landing looked like it was still at crz speed!:-) And the SE Turbine version, the yanks are nuts!
Many years ago in TW there was a green colored Aerostar 701 I think the owner called it (his interpretation I believe) a one off airframe as far as I know custom fitted out with 425 HP twin turbo'd 4 bladed pops that took the machine to VNE in the cruise. Flew in it once with the owner, the fastest machine I'd ever seen!
It was destroyed on the ground by fire late one night in suspicious circumstances I believe.
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I'm having some difficulty following this thread.
Trimed has asked for some advice on a future aircraft purchase.
Plenty of advice forthcoming.
However, Trimed seems to be unhappy with some of the replies!
Well it is pprune after all, not an aircraft brokerage service!
Maybe Trimed should pay for an aircraft broker and get some professional advice! 5th Aug 2011 21:01
Trimed has asked for some advice on a future aircraft purchase.
Plenty of advice forthcoming.
However, Trimed seems to be unhappy with some of the replies!
Well it is pprune after all, not an aircraft brokerage service!
Maybe Trimed should pay for an aircraft broker and get some professional advice! 5th Aug 2011 21:01
Not to mention he didn't even acknowledge my suggestion...
Oh well he probably wouldn't have been able to keep up anyway!
Oh well he probably wouldn't have been able to keep up anyway!
Duke / Meridian = really good 4 seat aircraft once you put a load into them.
A-Viator will do 200+ at half the cost of a kingy, less fuel than a 208 and still carry eight pax comfortably.
A-Viator will do 200+ at half the cost of a kingy, less fuel than a 208 and still carry eight pax comfortably
The way I see it the 208 is the modern form of the 206/207. For a base in Mildura its 175 knots gets to all the likely destinations without refueling and has the enormous potential for charter, assuming the owner wants additional revenue.
With the intended loads suggested there is nothing else that will carry the required number of pax/load with required fuel and do it with turbine smoothness and efficiency.
Spending huge money on a 40 year old plane is stupid. The resale on a good well looked after 208 will ensure that the whole operation makes financial sense.
Nobody has suggested anything that will carry the fuel/load with similar efficiency for a similar investment compared to the 208
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Never flown a Caravan, but if it does what your boss wants but is a little slow why not get a big-engine mod done on one? I seem to recall the advertised speed for one of the mods was 191+ kts. And you get a huge boost to take off/climb performance as well. Only catch if he likes new and fast is that I don't think any of the big engine mods are certified for the G1000-equipped planes, so you'd need to pick up an older airframe.
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C90 with -21's. Will do hot and Aus "high" and get to FL180-200 no worries.
Yes a little old, but still a relatively cheap and reliable alternative slash upgrade when compared to piston twins.
Twin turbine, with pretty much guaranteed performance.
Spacious.
Quick.
Quiet.
Relatively cheap to operate compared to other multi turbines such as a B200 or Conqy.
Either that or a C90 GTi. They look nice
As much as I'd like to have a pole of a PC12 or TBM850, there is something nice about having one PT6 either side of you, even if one isnt burning the kero!
However, having said that, of the few engine issues I've had, I'm glad I had a 2nd PT6 there, thats for sure!
That's probably what you call luxury
Yes a little old, but still a relatively cheap and reliable alternative slash upgrade when compared to piston twins.
Twin turbine, with pretty much guaranteed performance.
Spacious.
Quick.
Quiet.
Relatively cheap to operate compared to other multi turbines such as a B200 or Conqy.
Either that or a C90 GTi. They look nice
As much as I'd like to have a pole of a PC12 or TBM850, there is something nice about having one PT6 either side of you, even if one isnt burning the kero!
However, having said that, of the few engine issues I've had, I'm glad I had a 2nd PT6 there, thats for sure!
That's probably what you call luxury
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