QF engine failures - facts?
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QF engine failures - facts?
Does anyone have reliable statistics (facts) about the number of engine failures and other major failures (such as holes in fuselage and uncontrolled stuka dives) that Qantas has suffered in the past 10 years, and by comparison the ten years previous to that ie over past 10 years and past 10-20years?
I'm not a pilot but a regular traveller and would consider that the frequency of failures has increased dramatically in the past ten years.
I have not travelled with QF for the past 5 years due to my belief that they are fundamentally dangerous.
The two incidents this week only reinforce my perception.
Anyone with the facts to confirm / deny my perception?
I'm not a pilot but a regular traveller and would consider that the frequency of failures has increased dramatically in the past ten years.
I have not travelled with QF for the past 5 years due to my belief that they are fundamentally dangerous.
The two incidents this week only reinforce my perception.
Anyone with the facts to confirm / deny my perception?
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Your question suggests a union of intellectual and factual failure.
I suggest you go to the corner of your room, surround yourself with as many pillows as you can without accidentally suffocating yourself, curl up into the foetal position and cry yourself to sleep.
But first, here are some statistics of far greater relevance to you:
FASTSTATS - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries
Whatever you do, DO NOT leave your home. You could fly a million miles a year with major carriers and still be at greater risk the moment you open your front door.
It's "Stuka", by the way. With an upper-case 'S', and their dives were not out-of-control.
I suggest you go to the corner of your room, surround yourself with as many pillows as you can without accidentally suffocating yourself, curl up into the foetal position and cry yourself to sleep.
But first, here are some statistics of far greater relevance to you:
FASTSTATS - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries
Whatever you do, DO NOT leave your home. You could fly a million miles a year with major carriers and still be at greater risk the moment you open your front door.
It's "Stuka", by the way. With an upper-case 'S', and their dives were not out-of-control.
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Yeah I agree with the newbie posters!
The ATSB has all that data and they're not trying to keep anything secret. They just publish factual reports and factual statistics irrespective of the political or commercial implications.
Then as Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts". You can take it from there.........
The ATSB has all that data and they're not trying to keep anything secret. They just publish factual reports and factual statistics irrespective of the political or commercial implications.
Then as Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts". You can take it from there.........
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All these newbie posters 
While one could be critical of recent management activity over the period you mention, I would think the reliability issues for minor things may have been affected, however to say fundamentally unsafe is almost something that would find you in a defamation suit if you went to print with it........ Ohhh you already have!
Engine failure happen, and I think many would agree that that there is not a common thread here, especially with the oxygen bottle incident. I do read the ATSB reports and they are usually the best source of good info. If you ask me it is not out the usual.
Had this discussion with my aircraft partner yesterday and he pointed out to the days of the 707 and the Connie. Engine changes for them were better practised than an F1 team!
QF do seem to get a pretty high volume of media attention though when one lets go. The LCC offshoot JQ can have one on a relatively new A320 and it barely gets in the news if at all. Go figure.
While one could be critical of recent management activity over the period you mention, I would think the reliability issues for minor things may have been affected, however to say fundamentally unsafe is almost something that would find you in a defamation suit if you went to print with it........ Ohhh you already have!
Engine failure happen, and I think many would agree that that there is not a common thread here, especially with the oxygen bottle incident. I do read the ATSB reports and they are usually the best source of good info. If you ask me it is not out the usual.
Had this discussion with my aircraft partner yesterday and he pointed out to the days of the 707 and the Connie. Engine changes for them were better practised than an F1 team!
QF do seem to get a pretty high volume of media attention though when one lets go. The LCC offshoot JQ can have one on a relatively new A320 and it barely gets in the news if at all. Go figure.
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Used to fly a lot between 78 - 82 on BA - in that time, at least one engine failure (stuck in Perth), one plane out of commission (stuck in Bombay), 3 tyres blown on landing (stuck in Perth). I've had less trouble on Qantas in the last 5 years.
As previous poster mentioned, Qantas gets a disproportionate amount of press
when something goes wrong, even minor.
And as I have said before, at least when something does go wrong, the people up front have some experience to call on and seem to get the plane down in one piece.
Why don't you go and fly airlines from Indonesian.
Used to fly a lot between 78 - 82 on BA - in that time, at least one engine failure (stuck in Perth), one plane out of commission (stuck in Bombay), 3 tyres blown on landing (stuck in Perth). I've had less trouble on Qantas in the last 5 years.
As previous poster mentioned, Qantas gets a disproportionate amount of press
when something goes wrong, even minor.
And as I have said before, at least when something does go wrong, the people up front have some experience to call on and seem to get the plane down in one piece.
Why don't you go and fly airlines from Indonesian.
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...would consider that the frequency of failures has increased dramatically in the past ten years.
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Does anyone have reliable statistics (facts) about the number of engine failures and other major failures (such as holes in fuselage and uncontrolled stuka dives) that Qantas has suffered in the past 10 years, and by comparison the ten years previous to that ie over past 10 years and past 10-20years?
Mainly becuase they were Friday aircraft, in that they were manufactured on a Friday on the Boeing assembly line.
Tuesday thru Thursday aircraft are much more reliable.
Mainly becuase they were Friday aircraft, in that they were manufactured on a Friday on the Boeing assembly line.
Tuesday thru Thursday aircraft are much more reliable
Does anyone have reliable statistics (facts) about the number of engine failures and other major failures (such as holes in fuselage and uncontrolled stuka dives) that Qantas has suffered in the past 10 years, and by comparison the ten years previous to that ie over past 10 years and past 10-20years?
At least two (3) in the decade to 2010.
Call it two (2) in the decade to 2000, and
Oh! ...... and make it one (1) for the decade to 1990.
That would appear to be 100% increase per decade!
What is the source of this information? I asked a Hollywood actor who is into aeroplanes!
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"Facts"
If you've come here looking for "facts" about QANTAS then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place - PPRuNe is not the place where you find reliable information. You're more likely to find mindless drivel that no doubt turns into a slugging match between anonymous identities.
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They can all suffer from fan blade or compressor failure, however the fact that this failure was not contained within the cowl is of major concern. I would say RR engineers are having sleepless nights. Poor Qantas....this could have happened to any 380 operator. 
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PS: Oh bugger .... and me a Qantas Gold Frequent Flyer too!
I'm still trying to make silver.
Now I AM impressed Dr. Impressive considering the number of private flying hours that you do.
Yes, 200 hrs pa in the FTDK and maintaining gold frequent flyer status requires a special focus!
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isn't the issue actually that a brand new engine has already had a number of failures and an AD issued. Therefore any reference to statistics is irrelevant and serves no purpose.
It is unfortunate that this was a Qantas aircraft but if and I say IF there is an underlying design fault then it needs to be sorted pretty quick.
The fact that some sections of the press have gone over the top does not take anything away from the separate and non related issue of outsourcing. You don't help yourselves by attempting to ridicule a situation when the facts are clear to be seen.
It is unfortunate that this was a Qantas aircraft but if and I say IF there is an underlying design fault then it needs to be sorted pretty quick.
The fact that some sections of the press have gone over the top does not take anything away from the separate and non related issue of outsourcing. You don't help yourselves by attempting to ridicule a situation when the facts are clear to be seen.
Yes.
Mainly becuase they were Friday aircraft, in that they were manufactured on a Friday on the Boeing assembly line.
Tuesday thru Thursday aircraft are much more reliable.
Mainly becuase they were Friday aircraft, in that they were manufactured on a Friday on the Boeing assembly line.
Tuesday thru Thursday aircraft are much more reliable.
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Everyone in the know, knows that Qantas has been over extruding the thronomeister in the RB211-411 engines for years. You do that during a wet start over 621 degrees EGT, and no wonder you throw a blade at 1.02 EPR. They have been doing it since the engine workshop lost its wooden floor!
Now THERE is a story ACA and CASA should follow up on.
DB
Now THERE is a story ACA and CASA should follow up on.
DB
