Aussie Atpl Airlaw?
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Hi there Guys and Gals,
I am just about to sit the airlaw and have a few questions that iam unable to get a clear answer for. Any help on these would be much appreciated.
A PIC rostered on a high capacity IFR RPT flight in 4 days time has a Command Instrument Rating
endorsed with NDB, VOR, ILS and
LLZ.
Within the last 85 days, the pilot has flown 2 hours instrument time (one as PIC on the aeroplane
and on as copilot on the Company's approved flight simulator). The time included two NDB, one
VOR and on LLZ approaches, all flown 33 days ago.
The pilot expects an operational requirement to conduct an ILS approach in IMC at the destination.
What additional experience, if any, is necessary for the pilot to meet the recent experience
requirements for this flight?
• Two hours instrument flight time
• One ILS approach
• One hour instrument flight time
• One hour instrument flight time including one ILS approach
• None
RPT aeroplanes with a MTOW greater than 5700kg are required to be equipped with certain flight
instruments. Which combination of instruments is the minimum number which meets the
requirement for provision of HDG information?
• One gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass and one direct reading magnetic compass
• One direct reading magnetic compass and two gyroscopic HDG indicators
• Two direct reading magnetic compass
• Two gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass
• One remote indicating compass and one gyroscopic HDG indicator
Your aeroplane is fully equipped to operate to Cat 1 ILS approach minima and the relevant data for
the destination aerodrome is:
Landing minima:
RWY 09 ILS (CAT 1)DME - 220ft, 0.8km
RWY 09 LLZ DME - 550ft, 2.0km
Runway lighting facilities serviceable:
PTBL PN, MIRL MAN SBY, T-VASIS
What is the landing minima that will apply?
• 220ft, 0.8km
• 220ft, 1.2km
• 550ft, 2.0km
• 220ft, 1.5km
• 220ft, 1.7km
Thanks again
I am just about to sit the airlaw and have a few questions that iam unable to get a clear answer for. Any help on these would be much appreciated.
A PIC rostered on a high capacity IFR RPT flight in 4 days time has a Command Instrument Rating
endorsed with NDB, VOR, ILS and
LLZ.
Within the last 85 days, the pilot has flown 2 hours instrument time (one as PIC on the aeroplane
and on as copilot on the Company's approved flight simulator). The time included two NDB, one
VOR and on LLZ approaches, all flown 33 days ago.
The pilot expects an operational requirement to conduct an ILS approach in IMC at the destination.
What additional experience, if any, is necessary for the pilot to meet the recent experience
requirements for this flight?
• Two hours instrument flight time
• One ILS approach
• One hour instrument flight time
• One hour instrument flight time including one ILS approach
• None
RPT aeroplanes with a MTOW greater than 5700kg are required to be equipped with certain flight
instruments. Which combination of instruments is the minimum number which meets the
requirement for provision of HDG information?
• One gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass and one direct reading magnetic compass
• One direct reading magnetic compass and two gyroscopic HDG indicators
• Two direct reading magnetic compass
• Two gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass
• One remote indicating compass and one gyroscopic HDG indicator
Your aeroplane is fully equipped to operate to Cat 1 ILS approach minima and the relevant data for
the destination aerodrome is:
Landing minima:
RWY 09 ILS (CAT 1)DME - 220ft, 0.8km
RWY 09 LLZ DME - 550ft, 2.0km
Runway lighting facilities serviceable:
PTBL PN, MIRL MAN SBY, T-VASIS
What is the landing minima that will apply?
• 220ft, 0.8km
• 220ft, 1.2km
• 550ft, 2.0km
• 220ft, 1.5km
• 220ft, 1.7km
Thanks again
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Hey Walgi,
For the first question you will require 1 hour + ILS.
33 days plus 4 = 37 days requiring an ILS/LLZ currency.
1 hour instrument flight time to make your 3 hours within the preceeding 90 days.
2nd Q:
This was the only question I got wrong when I did mine and had no references with me.
If I remember correctly : CAO 20.18 APPENDIX IV or V ( don't hold me to that only from memory)
• One remote indicating compass and one gyroscopic HDG indicator
There is something in the notes regarding this I can't remember.
but I answered
• One gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass and one direct reading magnetic compass
and I got it wrong. Sorry but don't take my word for it read the APPDX.
3rd Q:
CAT 1 ILS - Without Approach lights can't affect the 800m.
Without HIRL can't affect the 1.2
so
• 220ft, 1.5km
is the answer.
Hope this helps.
For the first question you will require 1 hour + ILS.
33 days plus 4 = 37 days requiring an ILS/LLZ currency.
1 hour instrument flight time to make your 3 hours within the preceeding 90 days.
2nd Q:
This was the only question I got wrong when I did mine and had no references with me.
If I remember correctly : CAO 20.18 APPENDIX IV or V ( don't hold me to that only from memory)
• One remote indicating compass and one gyroscopic HDG indicator
There is something in the notes regarding this I can't remember.
but I answered
• One gyro-magnetic remote indicating compass and one direct reading magnetic compass
and I got it wrong. Sorry but don't take my word for it read the APPDX.
3rd Q:
CAT 1 ILS - Without Approach lights can't affect the 800m.
Without HIRL can't affect the 1.2
so
• 220ft, 1.5km
is the answer.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks alot mate,
I was wondering if i would get a reply. I had the same problem with number two question. Anyway thanks again iam not on pprune much, however a mate told me to put my questions here and garranteed me someone would answer.
cheers and beers
I was wondering if i would get a reply
. I had the same problem with number two question. Anyway thanks again iam not on pprune much, however a mate told me to put my questions here and garranteed me someone would answer.cheers and beers
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Hey Walgi,
whilst you're at the topic, just wondering if you got yourself any of the airservices tag/page divider for the ATPL Air Law. I bought some blank one from the airservices website, but not too sure if I could use them, according to CASA there shouldn't a problem, but wanna get a better idea just in case I rock up and have to rip everything out.........posted the question up before, but everyone still quite not sure I guess.
Thanks man, good luck!!
whilst you're at the topic, just wondering if you got yourself any of the airservices tag/page divider for the ATPL Air Law. I bought some blank one from the airservices website, but not too sure if I could use them, according to CASA there shouldn't a problem, but wanna get a better idea just in case I rock up and have to rip everything out.........posted the question up before, but everyone still quite not sure I guess.
Thanks man, good luck!!
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Mate i did the exam today and did not bother getting the dividers. Just a quick note if you go on the OzAv site they have a pdf file with lots of questions very similar if not the same questions as the exam. The ones above are off that and the answers above are correct also. Anymore questions..dont hessitate.
There are only are fiew questions i have found that come from the CARS.
cya
Mate i did the exam today and did not bother getting the dividers. Just a quick note if you go on the OzAv site they have a pdf file with lots of questions very similar if not the same questions as the exam. The ones above are off that and the answers above are correct also. Anymore questions..dont hessitate.
There are only are fiew questions i have found that come from the CARS.
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I just finished studying my CAR today.....was going thru the index and try to come up with a way to use the document without any tags~~
Remembering the Jep document would not be fun tho!!
btw, have you got a link to this OzAv site you mentioned?
how did u go anyway?
PA911
Remembering the Jep document would not be fun tho!!
btw, have you got a link to this OzAv site you mentioned?
how did u go anyway?
PA911
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Hey,
Late response... may be too late, in fact. Just wondering what answers you actually put (if you got those questions on your exam). For B2E’s response, is the 3 hours IR time in 90 days a typo and you’re actually referring to the 3 hours time mentioned in CAO 40.1.5 11.3(b) that needs to be covered in 35 days?
And we regards to question 2, when referring to AP II (Aeroplanes in RPT) It states under section 5 that “a gyro-magnetic type of remote indicating compass may also be considered to meet the requirement for a heading indicator specified under 1 (h). Consequently, I cant figure out why the first answer isn’t correct... am I missing some one-worded detail?? (I attempted the exam and failed last week.. after reviewing the question I got wrong, almost all of them were due to me missing one word which ultimately changed the answer)
Please help, my exam retest is on Tuesday!!
Oh and on a side note for people reading this attempting the exam... my exam included all but 3 of the questions on the practice exam posted on this page. If only I had seen the practice exam sooner!
Late response... may be too late, in fact. Just wondering what answers you actually put (if you got those questions on your exam). For B2E’s response, is the 3 hours IR time in 90 days a typo and you’re actually referring to the 3 hours time mentioned in CAO 40.1.5 11.3(b) that needs to be covered in 35 days?
And we regards to question 2, when referring to AP II (Aeroplanes in RPT) It states under section 5 that “a gyro-magnetic type of remote indicating compass may also be considered to meet the requirement for a heading indicator specified under 1 (h). Consequently, I cant figure out why the first answer isn’t correct... am I missing some one-worded detail?? (I attempted the exam and failed last week.. after reviewing the question I got wrong, almost all of them were due to me missing one word which ultimately changed the answer)
Please help, my exam retest is on Tuesday!!
Oh and on a side note for people reading this attempting the exam... my exam included all but 3 of the questions on the practice exam posted on this page. If only I had seen the practice exam sooner!
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To anyone that's studying atpl airlaw?
If you really put the effort in and have read all the required documentation and you feel you're ready for the exam.
I strongly recommend to get the "Trevor Thom airlaw exam book", which consists of 3 trial exams.
If you pass these then you'll pass the real exams.
But only do the trial exams when you have completed your course of study and feel fully prepared.
Don't play with trial exams and just learn the questions and answers.
If you really put the effort in and have read all the required documentation and you feel you're ready for the exam.
I strongly recommend to get the "Trevor Thom airlaw exam book", which consists of 3 trial exams.
If you pass these then you'll pass the real exams.
But only do the trial exams when you have completed your course of study and feel fully prepared.
Don't play with trial exams and just learn the questions and answers.
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I'm slowly learning that the best advice for Air Law is "RTFQ"... a single word swings the answer completely. Although I must admit...some of the questions seem somewhat subjective... Questions regarding Adelaide curfew times and fixed fuel reserves seem to have different answers from text book to text book
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Minger,
Have just had a go at this practice exam and have a few differing answers.
Here are my interpretations.
1. 400nm
(aircraft is twin engine turbo-jet(turbine) and assuming it complies with 20.7.1B - a distance = to 120min at cruise speed or 400 miles which ever is less)
2.18 hours Refer CAO 48.1 para 3.10
4. no further requirements
The question is referring to co-pilot not PIC. Refer CAO 40.1.5 para 11.5, 11.6 & 11.7. all requirements are met for co-pilot.
5. The instrument must either be removed from the aeroplane or placarded as unserviceable
CAO 20.18 para 10.2 says u/s instruments under provisions of para 10.1 shall be prominently placarded u/s or removed from aircraft.
9. no further requirements
Aircraft for IFR only needs (CAO 20.18 4.1A - d. capability of operating the flight controls to maintain flight and manoeuvre the aeroplane about the roll and pitch axis e. an automatic heading capability f. altitude hold capability. All of which are covered with 2 axis operation?)
15.Yes, in CTA as well as in Class G airspace
you should always correct for wind in holding patterns
AIP ENR 1.5-21 3.2.1 e
Have just had a go at this practice exam and have a few differing answers.
Here are my interpretations.
1. 400nm
(aircraft is twin engine turbo-jet(turbine) and assuming it complies with 20.7.1B - a distance = to 120min at cruise speed or 400 miles which ever is less)
2.18 hours Refer CAO 48.1 para 3.10
4. no further requirements
The question is referring to co-pilot not PIC. Refer CAO 40.1.5 para 11.5, 11.6 & 11.7. all requirements are met for co-pilot.
5. The instrument must either be removed from the aeroplane or placarded as unserviceable
CAO 20.18 para 10.2 says u/s instruments under provisions of para 10.1 shall be prominently placarded u/s or removed from aircraft.
9. no further requirements
Aircraft for IFR only needs (CAO 20.18 4.1A - d. capability of operating the flight controls to maintain flight and manoeuvre the aeroplane about the roll and pitch axis e. an automatic heading capability f. altitude hold capability. All of which are covered with 2 axis operation?)
15.Yes, in CTA as well as in Class G airspace
you should always correct for wind in holding patterns
AIP ENR 1.5-21 3.2.1 e
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ATPL air law
Hi Guys,
If any of you have finished your ATPL Air law and can lend me your docs for a couple of days, pls do PM me. I'd really appreciate it. I'm flying for a freight charter in India but doing my Aus ATPL exams and can't afford to buy all the docs just for a few days..
Your help is greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
If any of you have finished your ATPL Air law and can lend me your docs for a couple of days, pls do PM me. I'd really appreciate it. I'm flying for a freight charter in India but doing my Aus ATPL exams and can't afford to buy all the docs just for a few days..
Your help is greatly appreciated!!
Thanks
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DAPs in atpl airlaw
Hi guys,
quick question.
For anyone who has done atpl air law are the DAPS east/west required as specified on the permitted materials?if so fair enough- just prefer to save some cash from not buying them if i can avoid it!
quick question.
For anyone who has done atpl air law are the DAPS east/west required as specified on the permitted materials?if so fair enough- just prefer to save some cash from not buying them if i can avoid it!
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I am going to do my ATPL conversion too but dont have much time reading all the text. its great to have some sample here. if you have more tricky questions please add them here.
Nkand,
Did this a couple of months ago and I did get the qu about Adelaide curfew.
I didn't have daps and I got it wrong, but it would seem this must be the only qu requiring daps to answer, so maybe you could print out the Adelaide section and bind it up and take it in.
I had out of date ersa and ercs from work but bought a new cao and car which was about $180 from memory and passed no worries.
Did this a couple of months ago and I did get the qu about Adelaide curfew.
I didn't have daps and I got it wrong, but it would seem this must be the only qu requiring daps to answer, so maybe you could print out the Adelaide section and bind it up and take it in.
I had out of date ersa and ercs from work but bought a new cao and car which was about $180 from memory and passed no worries.
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I did mine in April, passed no worries.
- There will only be one question at most requiring DAPs, so save your money. I made an educated guess and got it right, but a quick read of Adelaide's curfew requirements should increase your chances. It's only one question though.
- I bought nothing for the exam. My employer allowed me use of the company printer to print all relevant CAOs and CARs (about 900 sheets of paper, 2-in-1 double sided) and I used coloured blank sheets to act as dividers. Naturally I highlighted key rules throughout the document. I put the whole lot into some old ring binders I had from my flying school days. All of this is permitted.
I didn't actually study the rules in isolation, preferring to use three practice exams to learn how to use the CAOs and CARs. Also I read the "common errors" section of CASA's website to read the most important CAOs very carefully, e.g. flight & duty times. This taught me to RTQ, which is vital.
Good luck,
O8
PS - by my reckoning, the answer to the very first question is "one ILS only". 85 + 4 = 89 days, one day short of the 90-day requirement for 3 hours of IF.
- There will only be one question at most requiring DAPs, so save your money. I made an educated guess and got it right, but a quick read of Adelaide's curfew requirements should increase your chances. It's only one question though.
- I bought nothing for the exam. My employer allowed me use of the company printer to print all relevant CAOs and CARs (about 900 sheets of paper, 2-in-1 double sided) and I used coloured blank sheets to act as dividers. Naturally I highlighted key rules throughout the document. I put the whole lot into some old ring binders I had from my flying school days. All of this is permitted.
I didn't actually study the rules in isolation, preferring to use three practice exams to learn how to use the CAOs and CARs. Also I read the "common errors" section of CASA's website to read the most important CAOs very carefully, e.g. flight & duty times. This taught me to RTQ, which is vital.
Good luck,
O8
PS - by my reckoning, the answer to the very first question is "one ILS only". 85 + 4 = 89 days, one day short of the 90-day requirement for 3 hours of IF.
I guess no one studies the syllabus material these days. Just a matter of memorising the answers to pass the exam!
The result of this is very evident here on pprune. Lots of people asking questions. Lots of incorrect answers forthcoming.
No one seems to know where to find the correct information. Because they've never bothered in the past.
Too lazy to look it up. Don't actually have any documents to look up. There're too expensive to buy and maintain!
As a group of so-called professionals, we really are dumbing ourselves down! And a large part of the industry is taking advantage of that.
The result of this is very evident here on pprune. Lots of people asking questions. Lots of incorrect answers forthcoming.
No one seems to know where to find the correct information. Because they've never bothered in the past.
Too lazy to look it up. Don't actually have any documents to look up. There're too expensive to buy and maintain!
As a group of so-called professionals, we really are dumbing ourselves down! And a large part of the industry is taking advantage of that.
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Captain Fathom has reminded me that actually I did buy an ERSA with RDS, and borrowed an AIP. You can't sit the exam without knowing those quite well. You shouldn't need anywhere near the maximum number of tags permitted.
As far as CAOs and the like, yes, they are very expensive to buy and maintain just to pass the exam as a one-off. Now that I'm actually working in Australia I maintain (& regularly review) a current set of all required documents. But not CAOs - that's what the interweb thingy is for.
As far as CAOs and the like, yes, they are very expensive to buy and maintain just to pass the exam as a one-off. Now that I'm actually working in Australia I maintain (& regularly review) a current set of all required documents. But not CAOs - that's what the interweb thingy is for.