Greens' pledge to shut Essendon Airport
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This is a list of aircraft visiting Melbourne in December 1967 for Harold Holt's Memorial Service and is reproduced with the permission of an aviation enthusiast legend :
USAF/MAC C-135B 24125 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
USAF/MAC C-141A 70008 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
USAF/MAC C-141A 50263 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
US Of A VC-137A 86970 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
US of A VC-137A 86972 ; Tullamarine
707-321B N434PA Pan American ; Essendon and Tullamarine
707-320 N354US Northwest Orient Airlines ; Avalon and Tullamarine
RAF VC-10 XV105 ; Avalon and Tullamarine.
Indonesian Air Force Jetstar T-9446 ; Avalon and Tullamarine
Note that Tullamarine did not open officially until July 1 ’70.
USAF/MAC C-135B 24125 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
USAF/MAC C-141A 70008 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
USAF/MAC C-141A 50263 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
US Of A VC-137A 86970 ; Essendon and Tullamarine
US of A VC-137A 86972 ; Tullamarine
707-321B N434PA Pan American ; Essendon and Tullamarine
707-320 N354US Northwest Orient Airlines ; Avalon and Tullamarine
RAF VC-10 XV105 ; Avalon and Tullamarine.
Indonesian Air Force Jetstar T-9446 ; Avalon and Tullamarine
Note that Tullamarine did not open officially until July 1 ’70.
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Thanks Dog for the correction about early Melbourne Airport movements, there seemed to be an inordinate amount of time between accepting itinerante traffic and the first RPT operations.
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Isn't the only wilderness between a Greeny's ears?
EN is the envy of many cities, a primary controlled airport with an ILS and a tram to take you straight into the city just across the road!
EN is the envy of many cities, a primary controlled airport with an ILS and a tram to take you straight into the city just across the road!
Originally Posted by Plovett
Does not Mr Fox operate a corporate jet which is based at Essendon?
Does he not live in a desirable suburb of Melbourne that is closer to Essendon than Geelong?
Has not Mr Fox given undertakings that Essendon will continue to operate as an airport?
I suggest that the only way it will be closed is by political fiat and that is unlikely with the present Victorian government.
Does he not live in a desirable suburb of Melbourne that is closer to Essendon than Geelong?
Has not Mr Fox given undertakings that Essendon will continue to operate as an airport?
I suggest that the only way it will be closed is by political fiat and that is unlikely with the present Victorian government.
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The management at AV have just announced that AV is opening up for GA and circuit training. A by invitation only meeting is being held next Tuesday 24 April at AV to formally announce the opening up of AV to GA training. Could this initiative have something to do with the long term future of YMEN?
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Nah, not really. Lindsay's just discovered that the only airline interested in getting milked by AV in one star. He's realized that he has to milk GA instead. Bit different to a few years ago, when he had the beginnings of a GA industry right there. And then proceeded to make it impossible for them to afford. I wonder who the invitation list includes........
Breaking the rules about posting & drinking but here goes;
I truly hope that it is something that the new 'pro-aviation' Vic government has done to improve the 'value for money' at AV.
In a perfect world the SOB that 'owns' (rents) these airports (Essendon and Avalon) would have been given some structured guidance from the VIC Government Transport department about charging overly exorbitant landing fees and price gouging.
But cynical me says that the AV airport operators are just 'mining' another revenue source.
The cost of aviation in Australia is screwing GA and it starts with the bastuds that 'own' (rent) the infrastructure.
Essendon is suffering the death of a thousand cuts - slowly but surely being turned into strip malls and car yards. Avalon's pricing regime is outrageous and it will go the same way. Geelong airport has just been sold off.
Victoria has no mineral resources like its neighbouring states so governments have happily mined revenue out of the population by selling what is truly the peoples infrastructure to private/corporate business and then permitted the chargeback against the people for its use though tolls and fines.
The trouble with that is the tolls and fees dont get plowed back into the infrastructure and the infrastructure is 50 years behind.
Write, scream and shout at your ministers......please.
This country, with its space and distances, should be the leading light of aviation, transport and travel instead we are worse than 3rd world.
Even back country airports in India have fire service and a met man.
Esendon - in the centre of Melbourne - has none.
WTF!? I just heard a rumour that the reason that there is no public transport link to Melbourne airport - is because the government will have to pay a $2 billion penalty to the toll road owner for loss of revenue. Perhaps the operator of the Melbourne taxis also have a vested interest in never seeing this link happen and that would make any politician watch his back on a dark night.
On another subject - why is it that you can catch a train from Mascot (a couple of hundred metres out of Sydney aiirport) in Sydney to the city for $3.40 but it costs $14.60 (therabouts) to travel to or from the domestic terminal (which is only about 500 meters further on?)
Apparently the Macquarie Bank owns the airport rail line and gouges the users (passengers and airport workers) an extra $10 each way for the privilege.
Write, scream and shout to your ministers please......please.
Where is my medication.
I truly hope that it is something that the new 'pro-aviation' Vic government has done to improve the 'value for money' at AV.
In a perfect world the SOB that 'owns' (rents) these airports (Essendon and Avalon) would have been given some structured guidance from the VIC Government Transport department about charging overly exorbitant landing fees and price gouging.
But cynical me says that the AV airport operators are just 'mining' another revenue source.
The cost of aviation in Australia is screwing GA and it starts with the bastuds that 'own' (rent) the infrastructure.
Essendon is suffering the death of a thousand cuts - slowly but surely being turned into strip malls and car yards. Avalon's pricing regime is outrageous and it will go the same way. Geelong airport has just been sold off.
Victoria has no mineral resources like its neighbouring states so governments have happily mined revenue out of the population by selling what is truly the peoples infrastructure to private/corporate business and then permitted the chargeback against the people for its use though tolls and fines.
The trouble with that is the tolls and fees dont get plowed back into the infrastructure and the infrastructure is 50 years behind.
Write, scream and shout at your ministers......please.
This country, with its space and distances, should be the leading light of aviation, transport and travel instead we are worse than 3rd world.
Even back country airports in India have fire service and a met man.
Esendon - in the centre of Melbourne - has none.
WTF!? I just heard a rumour that the reason that there is no public transport link to Melbourne airport - is because the government will have to pay a $2 billion penalty to the toll road owner for loss of revenue. Perhaps the operator of the Melbourne taxis also have a vested interest in never seeing this link happen and that would make any politician watch his back on a dark night.
On another subject - why is it that you can catch a train from Mascot (a couple of hundred metres out of Sydney aiirport) in Sydney to the city for $3.40 but it costs $14.60 (therabouts) to travel to or from the domestic terminal (which is only about 500 meters further on?)
Apparently the Macquarie Bank owns the airport rail line and gouges the users (passengers and airport workers) an extra $10 each way for the privilege.
Write, scream and shout to your ministers please......please.
Where is my medication.
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Rumours abound...............
Avalon has a rail link...albeit a ****ty one, but the infrastructure is there.
It was recently discussed, in and papers, and here (IIRC) that AV is dropping/lowering its charges to become more attractive to GA operations.
Given that both AV and EN are controlled by the one operator, hard to fathom how that may impact existing EN operators, whom traditionally use Bacchus March for training ops.
Been a lil while since i operated out of Bacchus (and i did so as a glider pilot, so my access was incorporated into my membership fee) but maybe the operators of bacchus have put their fees up to a point where the GA operators have kicked up enough of a stink and threatened to leave, that the operator has made changes to the AV structure to better accomodate EN tennants, and GA as a whole.
IIRC, linfox does not own EN/AV, but merely has a lease to operate it. On that basis, he has very little to gain by closing the strip, unless the lease permits him to make money 'from the land' anyway he see's fit
Avalon has a rail link...albeit a ****ty one, but the infrastructure is there.
It was recently discussed, in and papers, and here (IIRC) that AV is dropping/lowering its charges to become more attractive to GA operations.
Given that both AV and EN are controlled by the one operator, hard to fathom how that may impact existing EN operators, whom traditionally use Bacchus March for training ops.
Been a lil while since i operated out of Bacchus (and i did so as a glider pilot, so my access was incorporated into my membership fee) but maybe the operators of bacchus have put their fees up to a point where the GA operators have kicked up enough of a stink and threatened to leave, that the operator has made changes to the AV structure to better accomodate EN tennants, and GA as a whole.
IIRC, linfox does not own EN/AV, but merely has a lease to operate it. On that basis, he has very little to gain by closing the strip, unless the lease permits him to make money 'from the land' anyway he see's fit
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Closing YMEN would be disastrous for country VIC NSW and TAS patients, not to mention WA infants flown in on the Rio jet.
Besides the extra 15 minutes freeway travel time (plus traffic make that 45 minutes) there would be 20 minutes 'traffic holding' at MEL plus additional taxiing time,
not to mention the lack of aeromedical facilities. Air traffic at MEL would be further delayed by MED1 helicopter flights (Air ambulance will not separate its Fixed wing and rotor wing OPS as they do not have enough medical staff) and where the ammo's go the cops go too (they share a chopper)
Greens voters wouldn't care though - Greens voters are all inner city dwellers, not country where the world actually is green and a healthy environment makes people $$$ - haven't worked out why greens voters are all inner city - any thoughts folks?
Besides the extra 15 minutes freeway travel time (plus traffic make that 45 minutes) there would be 20 minutes 'traffic holding' at MEL plus additional taxiing time,
not to mention the lack of aeromedical facilities. Air traffic at MEL would be further delayed by MED1 helicopter flights (Air ambulance will not separate its Fixed wing and rotor wing OPS as they do not have enough medical staff) and where the ammo's go the cops go too (they share a chopper)
Greens voters wouldn't care though - Greens voters are all inner city dwellers, not country where the world actually is green and a healthy environment makes people $$$ - haven't worked out why greens voters are all inner city - any thoughts folks?
They won't close EN anytime soon. Too hot a political potato.
As for Green voters? Well true Green voters would be living in caves making virtually zero impact on the climate but I don't see too many caves around !
AV no good for AAV,too far away by road to the end destination,the Hossy's(fixed wing), & a road that's stuffed morning & night!
MB? 4get that place, no precision App & also too far away.
ML,maybe but not in my life time I'd say.
Wmk2
As for Green voters? Well true Green voters would be living in caves making virtually zero impact on the climate but I don't see too many caves around !
AV no good for AAV,too far away by road to the end destination,the Hossy's(fixed wing), & a road that's stuffed morning & night!
MB? 4get that place, no precision App & also too far away.
ML,maybe but not in my life time I'd say.
Wmk2
Hi "Ramble", a similar 'economical' way to get out of SY is by the Sy Metro bus system.
Its normal fare.
Additionally, if your're a 'Senior', you can buy the Senior's Pass ticket, directly from the driver, and travel all day, any train, Sydney Ferry etc for $2.50.
Unfortunately, the bus service goes to either Burwood, or to Bondi Junction...
None direct to the City....
But, either one does pass several other links, rail stations etc. to connect.
Drift I know,.....
Its normal fare.
Additionally, if your're a 'Senior', you can buy the Senior's Pass ticket, directly from the driver, and travel all day, any train, Sydney Ferry etc for $2.50.
Unfortunately, the bus service goes to either Burwood, or to Bondi Junction...
None direct to the City....
But, either one does pass several other links, rail stations etc. to connect.
Drift I know,.....
Could you get the airport heritage listed??
