VH-PGW PA-31P-350 15 June 2010 Crash Investigation
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Originally Posted by remoak
I never really understood these "close the thread" calls. If you don't like it, don't read it!
Recently however, the thread has descended into the nonsensical, with theories already disproved still being touted by trolls and respondents indulging in vicious personality attacks, apparently intended to defend the reputations of mates departed -but which serve only to damage their own reputations within these forae. That's why I called for the thread to be closed.
Like you, I have little if any faith in the investigations currently under-way exposing the full truth of the matters leading to this tragedy. Their "findings" will most likely be an appeasement to their political masters and an obfuscation of the regulatory and training factors that could potentially be an embarrassment to those charged with that responsibility. There will doubtless be a scape-goat, possibly a couple for the public "execution" and I guarantee you, no-one even peripherally involved with this tragedy will be happy with the result.
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First Principles...
I have been reading PPRuNe for quite some time and only since June this year have I become a registered user; I have not posted 'til now.
For newcomers to aviation and crusty old fossils alike, there is a wealth of knowledge in a common interest being shared on this international network in all sorts of aviation fields. Many of these treasures are to be found in threads of years gone by, take a look for yourselves to see the depth of knowledge on here, from New Guinea to New York, from tailwheel tire sizes to turbine hot start cycles. Much of it is not gospel but merely the writer sharing first hand knowledge, belief & experience.
Newcomers, read what the authors have to say. There is much to be learned from reading, and reading alone. As a relative newcomer here myself, there have been many times when I have been tempted to offer knowledge, advice or comment but have refrained. I am not in the industry anymore but my love for it and the unquenchable thirst for more of it cannot be denied, like some of our newer friends on here.
Things get messy when threads wander and wandering pays disrespect to both the thread starter and the topic. Reluctantly, I agree with Jober; this thread has wandered so far off it has become puerile and pointless for everyone. If one has nothing positive to contribute then why contribute?
For pharq's sake lets keep all threads on track.
For newcomers to aviation and crusty old fossils alike, there is a wealth of knowledge in a common interest being shared on this international network in all sorts of aviation fields. Many of these treasures are to be found in threads of years gone by, take a look for yourselves to see the depth of knowledge on here, from New Guinea to New York, from tailwheel tire sizes to turbine hot start cycles. Much of it is not gospel but merely the writer sharing first hand knowledge, belief & experience.
Newcomers, read what the authors have to say. There is much to be learned from reading, and reading alone. As a relative newcomer here myself, there have been many times when I have been tempted to offer knowledge, advice or comment but have refrained. I am not in the industry anymore but my love for it and the unquenchable thirst for more of it cannot be denied, like some of our newer friends on here.
Things get messy when threads wander and wandering pays disrespect to both the thread starter and the topic. Reluctantly, I agree with Jober; this thread has wandered so far off it has become puerile and pointless for everyone. If one has nothing positive to contribute then why contribute?
For pharq's sake lets keep all threads on track.
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Hey,
Why don't u do more research I have posted in other threads
Why don't u do more research I have posted in other threads
i see you have posted maybe a dozen times on this accident does this make you know it all?
I’m not some 33 year old who fly’s his desk every night
I bet your some second officer and just sits on guard all day stirring the pot and doing Jepp amendments and sucking up to the captain!
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Awwwww come on guys, everybody knows that if you accidentally put JET A1 into your MS Flight Sim Mojave, you can easily get to 7000' before anything happens...
answer that RatsoreA
Awwwww come on guys, everybody knows that if you accidentally put JET A1 into your MS Flight Sim Mojave, you can easily get to 7000' before anything happens...
answer that RatsoreA
And I might point out, that I am not alone in what I think about your posts.
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Okay guys I don't know why some of you are getting all hot under the collar here. Sure the jet A1 theory is probably the most remote of all but everyone is entitles to an opinion here after all PPRUNE is made up mostly of opinions in such threads.
Who really cares if ejet3 believes JetA1 is the cause it matters none to those that are somewhat brighter but by getting stuck into someone here they way some of you are achieves nothing all yr doing is adding fuel to the fire, feeding him. The more you guys post the more angry yr getting. Just ignore such comments & eventually like most other threads of this nature they die off 'till a more in depth report hits the streets.
You guys can be professional & still shake yr head in disbelief but doing it thru nasty comments proves only one thing, un-professionalism.
Relax & lets all enjoy life while we still are above ground & vertical, unlike the two that where the end result of this unfortunate accident.
Wmk2
Who really cares if ejet3 believes JetA1 is the cause it matters none to those that are somewhat brighter but by getting stuck into someone here they way some of you are achieves nothing all yr doing is adding fuel to the fire, feeding him. The more you guys post the more angry yr getting. Just ignore such comments & eventually like most other threads of this nature they die off 'till a more in depth report hits the streets.
You guys can be professional & still shake yr head in disbelief but doing it thru nasty comments proves only one thing, un-professionalism.
Relax & lets all enjoy life while we still are above ground & vertical, unlike the two that where the end result of this unfortunate accident.
Wmk2
Nuh mate been there done that, been in a airline now for a number of years
Virtual Airlines < Flight Simulation in the Yahoo! Directory
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Relax & lets all enjoy life while we still are above ground & vertical
Some of you really old hands may remember that way back in the early days of PPRuNe, there was a thread entitled "Religious Discussion" which I followed with some interest. It was interesting, informative, and did not feature giant egos, anger, belligerence, or other foolishness. It ran for weeks, allowed to do so because of the temperate nature of the discussion and the ability of the main proponents to restrain themselves, even when provoked. That thread should be found and stickied as an example of how we can behave when we put our minds to it... when discussing a topic that has started wars.
Them were the days...
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Yeah... you're right... I need to harden up. Someone punch me in the head or something...
In my defence, I have traded in my normal jet for a little GA toy, and it's messing with my head. I'm mixing with these relatively inexperienced GA guys too, which can be impressive and scary all at the same time! Kind of makes me appreciate the subject of this thread a little more...
In my defence, I have traded in my normal jet for a little GA toy, and it's messing with my head. I'm mixing with these relatively inexperienced GA guys too, which can be impressive and scary all at the same time! Kind of makes me appreciate the subject of this thread a little more...
what else do you think would cause a engine failure, then all of a sudden loose all his altitude and the 2nd engine die?
