Jetstar Cadetship (again)........
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Cadetship?
Originally Posted by Willie Nelson
Just to make some things clear:
This Jetstar cadetship does not provide the command hours required to obtain and full ATPL.
Until a junior F/O or cadet achieves the hours to hold a full ATPL they cannot receive a promotion to the position of First Officer ($37,000 base pay difference) let alone hold a command.
Jetstar is under no obligation to provide the command time to a junior F/O, nor can it be logged without the approval of the company for a training captain to supervise it.
Because there is a $37,000 pay rise involved there will be a disincentive for Jetstar to provide command time required for promotion until the supply of experienced candidates dries up.
Seniority is only a major consideration in regards to promotion to either F/O or command within Jetstar.
If you still wish to pursue this opportunity then good luck to you and I hope it goes well for you. .
This Jetstar cadetship does not provide the command hours required to obtain and full ATPL.
Until a junior F/O or cadet achieves the hours to hold a full ATPL they cannot receive a promotion to the position of First Officer ($37,000 base pay difference) let alone hold a command.
Jetstar is under no obligation to provide the command time to a junior F/O, nor can it be logged without the approval of the company for a training captain to supervise it.
Because there is a $37,000 pay rise involved there will be a disincentive for Jetstar to provide command time required for promotion until the supply of experienced candidates dries up.
Seniority is only a major consideration in regards to promotion to either F/O or command within Jetstar.
If you still wish to pursue this opportunity then good luck to you and I hope it goes well for you. .
But is the 6 years bonded to jetstar counted as part of "The Cadetship"? Why is there such a knock on this program? I really don't understand, it's in JQ's interests after paying for your training accomodation etc. to give you work. Unless it's in a signed contract they cannot force you to pay them back, I guess reading the fine print is important in these delicate situations.
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Why is there such a knock on this program? I really don't understand, it's in JQ's interests after paying for your training accomodation etc. to give you work. Unless it's in a signed contract they cannot force you to pay them back,
There's been plenty of posts on this very issue. If you can't decipher or come to some sort of intelligent conclusion on what the processes would be based on some facts they present (read their website/ pprune posts) and then make moronic statements like the above then truly this cadetship is for you.
Ps. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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"But is the 6 years bonded to jetstar counted as part of "The Cadetship"? Why is there such a knock on this program? I really don't understand, it's in JQ's interests after paying for your training accomodation etc. to give you work. Unless it's in a signed contract they cannot force you to pay them back, I guess reading the fine print is important in these delicate situations"
Because, after you have finished paying for your on-the-job training (and buying your job) it is cheaper for them to "employ" another wannabe who is willing to pay for the same deal as you did. They don't renew your contract but engage a new wannabe cadet (just like you were). "Cadets" (who pay) are cheaper than employees who get paid.
Simple mathematics
Because, after you have finished paying for your on-the-job training (and buying your job) it is cheaper for them to "employ" another wannabe who is willing to pay for the same deal as you did. They don't renew your contract but engage a new wannabe cadet (just like you were). "Cadets" (who pay) are cheaper than employees who get paid.
Simple mathematics
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Originally Posted by ausflying
"But is the 6 years bonded to jetstar counted as part of "The Cadetship"? Why is there such a knock on this program? I really don't understand, it's in JQ's interests after paying for your training accomodation etc. to give you work. Unless it's in a signed contract they cannot force you to pay them back, I guess reading the fine print is important in these delicate situations"
Because, after you have finished paying for your on-the-job training (and buying your job) it is cheaper for them to "employ" another wannabe who is willing to pay for the same deal as you did. They don't renew your contract but engage a new wannabe cadet (just like you were). "Cadets" (who pay) are cheaper than employees who get paid.
Simple mathematics
Because, after you have finished paying for your on-the-job training (and buying your job) it is cheaper for them to "employ" another wannabe who is willing to pay for the same deal as you did. They don't renew your contract but engage a new wannabe cadet (just like you were). "Cadets" (who pay) are cheaper than employees who get paid.
Simple mathematics
If you don't like jet flying, im sure any other lower level job that's out there would take you on with that kind of experience. I'm not doing the cadetship so i'm not biased towards it but either way my point remains valid. And if you love it then after six years even 50% co pilot time i'm sure would be enough to get you doing something with another airline.
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Jetstar
Probably worth thinking about;
- I don't believe it says there is any guarantee Jetstar have to offer you a job at all,
- I don't even know if Jetstar management would know where the future growth of the airline will be,
- Its well likely the employment a cadet would be offered would be to fill vacancies on the offshore expansions (on that countries local conditions). ie where the Aussue EBA pilots won't leave or take leave to go to,
- I haven't heard if a cadet would appear on a seniority list (and from what I've heard from a friend in Jetstar, with the total lack of movement forecast in the Aus RBA ranks you would likely be overseas for a long time!
Given all the above, everyone has a choice to make for themselves. I guess it's nobodys place to tell someone else what to do. I do think that many considering the cadetship would be best to get some insight into the obvious direction Jetstar is heading with offshoring of employment and how that will affect their possible future.
Having said that also. If someone thinks that the shoe fits them then the best of luck. I hope it is everything you are looking for.
- I don't believe it says there is any guarantee Jetstar have to offer you a job at all,
- I don't even know if Jetstar management would know where the future growth of the airline will be,
- Its well likely the employment a cadet would be offered would be to fill vacancies on the offshore expansions (on that countries local conditions). ie where the Aussue EBA pilots won't leave or take leave to go to,
- I haven't heard if a cadet would appear on a seniority list (and from what I've heard from a friend in Jetstar, with the total lack of movement forecast in the Aus RBA ranks you would likely be overseas for a long time!
Given all the above, everyone has a choice to make for themselves. I guess it's nobodys place to tell someone else what to do. I do think that many considering the cadetship would be best to get some insight into the obvious direction Jetstar is heading with offshoring of employment and how that will affect their possible future.
Having said that also. If someone thinks that the shoe fits them then the best of luck. I hope it is everything you are looking for.
What other Airlines??
Moss197,
What other airlines?? Overseas?? The point people are trying to make is that it will end up eroding the conditions of ALL pilots in Australian airlines. Great to have the experience but to have also ruined the current conditions for everyone else.....
This has happened continuously since the early 2000's, how low will the conditions go? I enjoy my job but I am worried that I won't have one in the future because people are accepting worse conditions from the pimps!!
Time will tell.... Please don't bitch on here in 5-10 years time when you are over the "I just love flying bit" and the conditions for ALL of us are utter crap.
Rant over, enjoy paying for someone to use you!!!
What other airlines?? Overseas?? The point people are trying to make is that it will end up eroding the conditions of ALL pilots in Australian airlines. Great to have the experience but to have also ruined the current conditions for everyone else.....
This has happened continuously since the early 2000's, how low will the conditions go? I enjoy my job but I am worried that I won't have one in the future because people are accepting worse conditions from the pimps!!
Time will tell.... Please don't bitch on here in 5-10 years time when you are over the "I just love flying bit" and the conditions for ALL of us are utter crap.
Rant over, enjoy paying for someone to use you!!!
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Any one completed the ACP testing at OAA. Im finding it hard to prep for....
Any help or suggestions would be great
Any help or suggestions would be great
Tarmac12,
You seem to be under the impression that Fee-Help pays your fees. It is only a loan. To access an ~$86K Fee-help loan you will also need to pay for an academic postgrad uni course at ~$15k as well.
If the scheme works via VET-Fee Help, then no academic course fees are payable, but there is an upfront $20K loan fee.
One way or another, access to Fee-Help will cost you an extra $15-$20K.
Paying up front is much cheaper overall if you have access to the cash.
You seem to be under the impression that Fee-Help pays your fees. It is only a loan. To access an ~$86K Fee-help loan you will also need to pay for an academic postgrad uni course at ~$15k as well.
If the scheme works via VET-Fee Help, then no academic course fees are payable, but there is an upfront $20K loan fee.
One way or another, access to Fee-Help will cost you an extra $15-$20K.
Paying up front is much cheaper overall if you have access to the cash.
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Jetstar physc testing
Hi Crew
I'm here to divulge some insight into Jetstars stage 2 testing and interview. I thought Id help out those interested with some valuable info because I have recently sat the exams.
It consists of a computer based 3hr examination that covers
1. Yech questions, most of these are found in ATPL aerodynamics and systems about jet operations.
2. A maths test that covers long division, algerbra (4x+6=9y find X) kinda stuff aswell as pythag therom etc.
3. personality testing. You know the type
4. Motor skills testing with our old favourite the joystick and pedels. Basically the idea with this one is keep the aircraft on the glide slope and the ball in the middle which appears below the simulated ILS.
the other motor skills test involves entering given alts, heading and radio frequencies while killing a red light that systematically appers in the top left and right corners.
I wasn't successful and so find myself sitting in a bar am MLB airport drowning sorrows. My apologies for any spelling and/or punctuation errors.
On the positive side I met a great bunch of blokes (9) and the sun will still come up in the morning. I'm off to chase my other love, float planes!!
any Q's feel free to PM me.
clinty83,
I'm here to divulge some insight into Jetstars stage 2 testing and interview. I thought Id help out those interested with some valuable info because I have recently sat the exams.
It consists of a computer based 3hr examination that covers
1. Yech questions, most of these are found in ATPL aerodynamics and systems about jet operations.
2. A maths test that covers long division, algerbra (4x+6=9y find X) kinda stuff aswell as pythag therom etc.
3. personality testing. You know the type
4. Motor skills testing with our old favourite the joystick and pedels. Basically the idea with this one is keep the aircraft on the glide slope and the ball in the middle which appears below the simulated ILS.
the other motor skills test involves entering given alts, heading and radio frequencies while killing a red light that systematically appers in the top left and right corners.
I wasn't successful and so find myself sitting in a bar am MLB airport drowning sorrows. My apologies for any spelling and/or punctuation errors.
On the positive side I met a great bunch of blokes (9) and the sun will still come up in the morning. I'm off to chase my other love, float planes!!
any Q's feel free to PM me.
clinty83,
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surely an a320 endo and a job getting hours on the actual aircraft for six years is plenty to get you going!
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Hi All,
The above description of the OAA screen for Jetstar is accurate, I just wanted to clarify for all those that have not done a huge amount of math since high school. The ask 2x+6=9y, what is the value of y if x=3. they don't give 2 variables and make you come up with an answer. That would require a bit more maths knowledge.
Flagg
The above description of the OAA screen for Jetstar is accurate, I just wanted to clarify for all those that have not done a huge amount of math since high school. The ask 2x+6=9y, what is the value of y if x=3. they don't give 2 variables and make you come up with an answer. That would require a bit more maths knowledge.
Flagg
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I'm not here to have a go at people going to the cadetship, if they want to avoid the GA scheme of experience then that is their choice.
My flatmate recently spent over $2,000 in air fares, buying a suit, hiring a car, accommodation... only to be told by jetstar that he hadn't passed the aptitude tests after paying the additional $300.
I am sorry but i must express my dissapointment in what seems to be a monkey race. They offer no assistance to those travelling from other parts of australia, and as someone mentioned before having to pay to sit an interview and psychometric testing to WORK FOR THEM is just an outright joke.
IMO if the company was serious about doing things professionally then surely they could organise travel for those where spare seating was available, offer some kind of accommodation assistance rather than just expecting people for have the savings to pay for this kind of an event.
My flatmate recently spent over $2,000 in air fares, buying a suit, hiring a car, accommodation... only to be told by jetstar that he hadn't passed the aptitude tests after paying the additional $300.
I am sorry but i must express my dissapointment in what seems to be a monkey race. They offer no assistance to those travelling from other parts of australia, and as someone mentioned before having to pay to sit an interview and psychometric testing to WORK FOR THEM is just an outright joke.
IMO if the company was serious about doing things professionally then surely they could organise travel for those where spare seating was available, offer some kind of accommodation assistance rather than just expecting people for have the savings to pay for this kind of an event.
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Multi Engined,
This is the whole point here, it was purely your mates choice to spend $2,000 to go to the cadetship interview. If you would believe others on this forum then everyone who turns up with the money and willing to sign gets the job. Judging by the amount of people on here who are not getting through the selection, this if obviously not the point. Don't forget, no one is forcing people to go to these interviews, rest assured if Jetstar got ZERO applicants due to the cost associated with the selection then the policy would change. From the numbers that are apparently applying this is obviously not the case. If you resent paying for the selection just don't do it. Once again this is not new, to get into a 'certain' legacy carrier I had to take unpaid leave, pay for flights and two nights accomodation which cost me about £600 at the time, they offered ZERO assistance as it was my choice to apply.
This is the whole point here, it was purely your mates choice to spend $2,000 to go to the cadetship interview. If you would believe others on this forum then everyone who turns up with the money and willing to sign gets the job. Judging by the amount of people on here who are not getting through the selection, this if obviously not the point. Don't forget, no one is forcing people to go to these interviews, rest assured if Jetstar got ZERO applicants due to the cost associated with the selection then the policy would change. From the numbers that are apparently applying this is obviously not the case. If you resent paying for the selection just don't do it. Once again this is not new, to get into a 'certain' legacy carrier I had to take unpaid leave, pay for flights and two nights accomodation which cost me about £600 at the time, they offered ZERO assistance as it was my choice to apply.
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Even if they don't renew that contract after 6 years then youve still got a ****load of hours on a jet so you can do what you like with it. If you don't like jet flying, im sure any other lower level job that's out there would take you on with that kind of experience.
The only reason why Jetstar are doing this is so that they can MAYBE employ you on THEIR terms and pay you LESS for LONGER. A long way from what I would call a 'win, win.'
If you think it is a good idea, it might be - for Jetstar, but not for you!
Believe it or not but there are people here with lifetimes of experience in the industry who can see what is really going on and are trying to offer a genuine warning...
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"IMO if the company was serious about doing things professionally then surely they could organise travel for those where spare seating was available, offer some kind of accommodation assistance rather than just expecting people for have the savings to pay for this kind of an event."
Of course the company could organise such things. Why would they bother though? If people think buying a job is such a good idea then those people would also think paying for the interviews is ok too.
Perhaps it is all part of the interview process? They are just testing you to see just how much you are willing to fork out and what you are prepared to pay for.
Fools and their money........?
Of course the company could organise such things. Why would they bother though? If people think buying a job is such a good idea then those people would also think paying for the interviews is ok too.
Perhaps it is all part of the interview process? They are just testing you to see just how much you are willing to fork out and what you are prepared to pay for.
Fools and their money........?
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I understand it is people's choice whether they want to spend the money. In general a lot of those applying don't have a lot of experience and imo don't really have an understanding on how much of a joke this is.
From what people have told me from their exp in the industry things use to be much more about teaching people how to fly rather than the now making money out of people learning how to fly.
From what people have told me from their exp in the industry things use to be much more about teaching people how to fly rather than the now making money out of people learning how to fly.
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IMO if the company was serious about doing things professionally then surely they could organise travel for those where spare seating was available, offer some kind of accommodation assistance rather than just expecting people for have the savings to pay for this kind of an event.
