Federal Election 2010: Which party will support Aviation?
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Federal Election 2010: Which party will support Aviation?
The Aviation industry is enduring a death by a thousand cuts, and is constantly left out of policy decisions and funding.
Successive governments (of both flavours) have ignored, prostituted, used and abused the Aviation sector - especially General Aviation - while funding roads and railways from consolidated revenue.
In the interests of prompting debate:
- Which Party do you think might HELP our industry to grow in 2011?
I attach the Aviation policy for the major parties below.
Nationals:
Australian Labor Party
No published Aviation policy.
I think it might be in here:
Our Platform
...but I can't read through all the weasil-words and wank speak
Liberal Party of Australia
No published Aviation policy.
The Australian Greens
Here: Policy G5: Sustainable Planning and Transport
Australian Democrats
Who?
so...THERE IS ONLY ONE MAJOR PARTY IN AUSTRALIA WITH A CLEAR STATEMENT OF THE ISSUES FACING OUR INDUSTRY AND THEIR POLICY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
Successive governments (of both flavours) have ignored, prostituted, used and abused the Aviation sector - especially General Aviation - while funding roads and railways from consolidated revenue.
In the interests of prompting debate:
- Which Party do you think might HELP our industry to grow in 2011?
I attach the Aviation policy for the major parties below.
Nationals:
Maintaining regional access to aviation services
For the seven million Australians who live outside our capital cities, regional aviation is an especially important link to the rest of the nation, providing transport, goods and medical services to and from large centres. It is essential that regional aviation is supported, since many regional routes are
of limited commercial value, with smaller carriers struggling with rising overheads and economic difficulties.
The Nationals will retain the Remote Air Service Subsidy Scheme (RASS) so that isolated communities continue to receive a weekly passenger and freight service. The RASS subsidises flights to more than 235 communities which
would otherwise not have a regular transport service.
The En Route Charges Scheme fully refunds Air Services Australia’s air navigation charges for a number of regional airlines operating smaller aircraft and for aero-medical operators such as the Royal Flying Doctor Service. The EnRoute Charges Scheme helps regional airlines to maintain viable services to isolated areas.
From 1 July 2008, Labor limited the scheme to existing routes and service frequencies and from 30 June 2012 the scheme will be abolished for commercial regional airline operators. The Nationals will reopen the En Route Charges Scheme to commercial air carriers using the scheme’s pre 1
July 2008 criteria and will keep it beyond 2012.
The Nationals will continue and expand the Remote Aerodrome Safety Program to assist in the upgrade of airstrips in remote and isolated communities.
The Nationals will also support general aviation – that part of the aviation sector not involved in regular public transport (or scheduled) services. It involves small aircraft undertaking roles vital to regional Australia, such as charter and business flights, aero-medical services, commercial and private
pilot training, sports and recreational pursuits, and various kinds of aerial work such as agriculture and surveying. In 2005-06, the non-scheduled air and space transport sector comprised more than 1000 businesses, employing nearly 4000 people producing an industry turnover of nearly $1
billion. Australia’s general aviation fleet is ageing, with the average age of aircraft now 30 years.
The Nationals will introduce incentives to enable business to replace aircraft used for commercial activities and to keep regional Australia flying.
The Nationals will address the skill shortage in the aviation industry. We will build on existing regional pilot training schemes such as that operated by Regional Express including the establishment of a Regional Airline Pilots’
Scholarship Scheme.
For the seven million Australians who live outside our capital cities, regional aviation is an especially important link to the rest of the nation, providing transport, goods and medical services to and from large centres. It is essential that regional aviation is supported, since many regional routes are
of limited commercial value, with smaller carriers struggling with rising overheads and economic difficulties.
The Nationals will retain the Remote Air Service Subsidy Scheme (RASS) so that isolated communities continue to receive a weekly passenger and freight service. The RASS subsidises flights to more than 235 communities which
would otherwise not have a regular transport service.
The En Route Charges Scheme fully refunds Air Services Australia’s air navigation charges for a number of regional airlines operating smaller aircraft and for aero-medical operators such as the Royal Flying Doctor Service. The EnRoute Charges Scheme helps regional airlines to maintain viable services to isolated areas.
From 1 July 2008, Labor limited the scheme to existing routes and service frequencies and from 30 June 2012 the scheme will be abolished for commercial regional airline operators. The Nationals will reopen the En Route Charges Scheme to commercial air carriers using the scheme’s pre 1
July 2008 criteria and will keep it beyond 2012.
The Nationals will continue and expand the Remote Aerodrome Safety Program to assist in the upgrade of airstrips in remote and isolated communities.
The Nationals will also support general aviation – that part of the aviation sector not involved in regular public transport (or scheduled) services. It involves small aircraft undertaking roles vital to regional Australia, such as charter and business flights, aero-medical services, commercial and private
pilot training, sports and recreational pursuits, and various kinds of aerial work such as agriculture and surveying. In 2005-06, the non-scheduled air and space transport sector comprised more than 1000 businesses, employing nearly 4000 people producing an industry turnover of nearly $1
billion. Australia’s general aviation fleet is ageing, with the average age of aircraft now 30 years.
The Nationals will introduce incentives to enable business to replace aircraft used for commercial activities and to keep regional Australia flying.
The Nationals will address the skill shortage in the aviation industry. We will build on existing regional pilot training schemes such as that operated by Regional Express including the establishment of a Regional Airline Pilots’
Scholarship Scheme.
No published Aviation policy.
I think it might be in here:
Our Platform
...but I can't read through all the weasil-words and wank speak
Liberal Party of Australia
No published Aviation policy.
The Australian Greens
Here: Policy G5: Sustainable Planning and Transport
Australian Democrats
Who?
so...THERE IS ONLY ONE MAJOR PARTY IN AUSTRALIA WITH A CLEAR STATEMENT OF THE ISSUES FACING OUR INDUSTRY AND THEIR POLICY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
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Leafie....MATE!!!! why did you even bother with the Greens link 
Well if you thought the last lot were tired and out of ideas..... the current lot rate worse!
It will take another 10 years to sort out the mess they are creating.
Well if you thought the last lot were tired and out of ideas..... the current lot rate worse!
It will take another 10 years to sort out the mess they are creating.
Why did Australia's yobbo electorate turf out the Howard government?
1) Rising interest rates
2) Tough stand on illegal immigrants
3) Didn't embrace carbon trading scheme
4) Howard is an arogant little sh*t!
Yaaaaaaaaah Krudie! We loves ya! We know nothing about ya but we saw your little smilie face on Sunrise so you must be good.
Hang on a minute!
Hmmmmmm!
Why DID Australia's yobbo electorate turf out the Howard government?
Dr
PS: Has Australia ever prospered under a Labour government?
1) Rising interest rates
2) Tough stand on illegal immigrants
3) Didn't embrace carbon trading scheme
4) Howard is an arogant little sh*t!
Yaaaaaaaaah Krudie! We loves ya! We know nothing about ya but we saw your little smilie face on Sunrise so you must be good.
Hang on a minute!
Hmmmmmm!
Why DID Australia's yobbo electorate turf out the Howard government?
Dr
PS: Has Australia ever prospered under a Labour government?
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Interesting the Nationals are the only party with an aviation policy, considering their previous Leader was arguably Australia's worst Minister for Transport since Federation - until even he was out classed by the present Rudd Government incumbent!
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Great post ForkieYep....full employment
Record low interest rates
Country balance sheet in surplus
Makes ya wonder mate......what the f##k were people thinking ! time for a change?? well they certainly got that! Krudd will be thrown out next time around BUT who picks up the mess....who is to pay for the gross irresposibility.....us.
PA39
Oh by the way......no party benefits from aviation, pilots or operators don't swing governments, so care factor for all parties concerned is -10.
Seriously?
I didn't vote for Rudd, nor did I vote for Howard (If Howard had won, we still would have had the down turn, ops normal). Labour or Liberal? It doesn't matter! They are all the same self serving scum. They come from the same schools, the same universities and join whichever party is the most convenient at the time. They spend their entire political lives looking after themselves and their mates. Then, after they have sold all of our essential infrastructure to private enterprise (who squeeze the public for all we are worth) they retire into their cosy little private sector consultancy positions.
Labour, Liberal, Nationals et al are all centre-right parties. It doesn't matter who you vote for, the outcome will be the same. Politicians stand for nothing but greed. The next election will be run and won, and nothing will change.
Cynical? No, just realistic...
I didn't vote for Rudd, nor did I vote for Howard (If Howard had won, we still would have had the down turn, ops normal). Labour or Liberal? It doesn't matter! They are all the same self serving scum. They come from the same schools, the same universities and join whichever party is the most convenient at the time. They spend their entire political lives looking after themselves and their mates. Then, after they have sold all of our essential infrastructure to private enterprise (who squeeze the public for all we are worth) they retire into their cosy little private sector consultancy positions.
Labour, Liberal, Nationals et al are all centre-right parties. It doesn't matter who you vote for, the outcome will be the same. Politicians stand for nothing but greed. The next election will be run and won, and nothing will change.
Cynical? No, just realistic...
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You have some underlying truths in your post, however history has shown time and time again that the left side of polotics with its idealistic dreams always spends up the kitty.
Yes no matter which way it goes you get a bunch of pollies.....but the lesser of the two evils is more what this is about. After the Menzies years we had Whitlam and hawke/Keating and now Rudd. Fraser did not help that much but you have to admit that the Howard years were some of the best we have seen in 30 or so, and remember the first half of it was not on the back of a mining boom at all, it was bloody tough beginnings.
Yes it is true the worlds GFC was going to have an impact on everyone even if Howards team were still in, but by now we would be in far better shape had they remained there, have a look at Torres post here Henry review and aviation - Page 2 - PPRuNe Forums
Forkie rarely speaks out on political things....but that was GOLD!
You have some underlying truths in your post, however history has shown time and time again that the left side of polotics with its idealistic dreams always spends up the kitty.
Yes no matter which way it goes you get a bunch of pollies.....but the lesser of the two evils is more what this is about. After the Menzies years we had Whitlam and hawke/Keating and now Rudd. Fraser did not help that much but you have to admit that the Howard years were some of the best we have seen in 30 or so, and remember the first half of it was not on the back of a mining boom at all, it was bloody tough beginnings.
Yes it is true the worlds GFC was going to have an impact on everyone even if Howards team were still in, but by now we would be in far better shape had they remained there, have a look at Torres post here Henry review and aviation - Page 2 - PPRuNe Forums
Forkie rarely speaks out on political things....but that was GOLD!
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It is intersting that the Nats publish an aviation policy when they know there is no hope of it ever getting coalition support. The Nats will never govern in their own right so - any policy document is just spin.
Why did the Australian people vote Labor?
1. AWAs simply bad IR policy. If the reforms planned for 2009 had gone through we would have been no better off than before the 8 hour day ruling. That was the crux of the policy - no worker empowerment at all.
2. Howard and Costello were ruling Australia very firmly as a duocracy. It was irrelevant what or why the people wanted change, they knew better and refused to listen to public opinion.
Whether it was better for Labor or Liberal to be in power during the GFC, well maybe Australia coming out of the GFC much earlier than anywhere else was fuelled by minerals and those companies that are raping Australia, but some of the credit goes to a party unfettered by 1960s thinking.
Tin hat on, foxhole dug!
Why did the Australian people vote Labor?
1. AWAs simply bad IR policy. If the reforms planned for 2009 had gone through we would have been no better off than before the 8 hour day ruling. That was the crux of the policy - no worker empowerment at all.
2. Howard and Costello were ruling Australia very firmly as a duocracy. It was irrelevant what or why the people wanted change, they knew better and refused to listen to public opinion.
Whether it was better for Labor or Liberal to be in power during the GFC, well maybe Australia coming out of the GFC much earlier than anywhere else was fuelled by minerals and those companies that are raping Australia, but some of the credit goes to a party unfettered by 1960s thinking.
Tin hat on, foxhole dug!
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Rudd didnt win the last election, Howard lost it.
Do you remember "Work Choices" and the "AWA" ?, all children of the Howard Government.
I personally would have voted for a deaf mute retard with six fingers in a guerrilla suit before Howard.
Do you remember "Work Choices" and the "AWA" ?, all children of the Howard Government.
I personally would have voted for a deaf mute retard with six fingers in a guerrilla suit before Howard.
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Who's next?
Along the lines of what trojan wrote - I recap - YOU VOTE FOR A POLITICIAN, YOU GET A POLITICIAN.
The problem would seem with the latest government having been in power for only a relatively short period and having done so much to unravel all the work - some good, some not so good work of the previous government is how can any party say with confidence that they can get anything back in shape?
Bit like - how far do you unroll a ball of string before it isn't worth rolling up again?
The problem would seem with the latest government having been in power for only a relatively short period and having done so much to unravel all the work - some good, some not so good work of the previous government is how can any party say with confidence that they can get anything back in shape?
Bit like - how far do you unroll a ball of string before it isn't worth rolling up again?
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You understand of course that "Family First" is nothing about families but a group of rabid right wing religious zealots?
I would prefer to vote shooters party, at least they don't hide behind devious names.
I would prefer to vote shooters party, at least they don't hide behind devious names.
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I'm with Josh. I think the Libs forgot that a lot of their regular voters work for wages and found Work Choices very intimidating.
Not all Lib voters are Toorak bankers, and not all people with an interest in workplace rights are Labor voters.
The Libs forgot that, and paid the price at the ballot box. The unions have also forgotten that, and have alienated a whole two generations (X and Y) in the process.
Personally, I find that voting Labor is a bit like eating Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's one of those things you do occasionally because it seemed like a good idea at the time (or because there's no alternative option), but you usually live to regret it.
Not all Lib voters are Toorak bankers, and not all people with an interest in workplace rights are Labor voters.
The Libs forgot that, and paid the price at the ballot box. The unions have also forgotten that, and have alienated a whole two generations (X and Y) in the process.
Personally, I find that voting Labor is a bit like eating Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's one of those things you do occasionally because it seemed like a good idea at the time (or because there's no alternative option), but you usually live to regret it
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Robin Hood Rudd
Good to see that the Rudd government is continuing the Labor tradition of bleeding the so called "rich" to give to the so called "poor". This rubbish about us all sharing in the mining boom profits is pure Sherwood Forest stuff. If we all own all the resources why are we not all out there digging it up, putting our finances at risk to explore for the resources etc, which is what the mining companies and their shareholders do. Get real Mr Rudd. Better still, get voted out of office asap.
Rudd didnt win the last election, Howard lost it.
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Gooday Tonkers 
Didn't see you there last week...where were ya hiding! 
Agreed the IR legislation was really dumb....and I did not agree with the finer points however we would not have the debt from a spending spree and now a tax on all things productive now if the morons had not voted in KRuddie and Co.
Didn't see you there last week...where were ya hiding! Agreed the IR legislation was really dumb....and I did not agree with the finer points however we would not have the debt from a spending spree and now a tax on all things productive now if the morons had not voted in KRuddie and Co.
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Jaba,
Without that spending spree, what do you think would be the present unemployment rate ?, note we were not the only country that saw stimulating their economy as necessary to avert a possible recession ?, many countries still had very severe recessions, we did not have one.
Geez, people like to whinge and groan about nothing.
I am not a fan of Rudd, but if Howard / Costello were voted back in, it definately would have been worse for the little people, the turd sandwich that would have been work choices mod 2 and no stimulus ( more unemployed and small businesses down for the count ).
Old fella, why not tax profits on big mining companies ?, every other business has its profits directly taxed. After the mining companies removes all of our natural resources, then what ?.
however we would not have the debt from a spending spree
Geez, people like to whinge and groan about nothing.
I am not a fan of Rudd, but if Howard / Costello were voted back in, it definately would have been worse for the little people, the turd sandwich that would have been work choices mod 2 and no stimulus ( more unemployed and small businesses down for the count ).
Old fella, why not tax profits on big mining companies ?, every other business has its profits directly taxed. After the mining companies removes all of our natural resources, then what ?.
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Josh....mate tell me you have not read Torres's post earlier.
Sure stimulate the economy a bit, but do not let it become a massive free for all that is nothing short of a gross waste of funds.
I run a small high tech engineering company, let me give you one tip, its not all as glam as the media hype it up to be. We are doing better than most, and let me say we are not setting any records either.
Aprt from some banks etc that are reaping it in.
There is not a lot of sense in doing the throw money in the air and letting it blow around in the breeze. Serious public works like roads airports hospitals...... generate job, not plasma TV's and big nights on the p!$$ for the great unwashed.
End of rant.
Sure stimulate the economy a bit, but do not let it become a massive free for all that is nothing short of a gross waste of funds.
I run a small high tech engineering company, let me give you one tip, its not all as glam as the media hype it up to be. We are doing better than most, and let me say we are not setting any records either.
Aprt from some banks etc that are reaping it in.
There is not a lot of sense in doing the throw money in the air and letting it blow around in the breeze. Serious public works like roads airports hospitals...... generate job, not plasma TV's and big nights on the p!$$ for the great unwashed.
End of rant.
Agreed Jaba.
I sure as hell did not support the government giving out money willy nilly to every man and his dog (dead dog in some cases). I would have, however, supported the government putting it towards infrastructure that we needed.
Look back to the 1920's during the recession then, what did they do? Built the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Why did Krudd seem to think everyone buying a plasma TV, would be better than building highways, hospitals or other vital infrastructure which are badly needed?
morno
I sure as hell did not support the government giving out money willy nilly to every man and his dog (dead dog in some cases). I would have, however, supported the government putting it towards infrastructure that we needed.
Look back to the 1920's during the recession then, what did they do? Built the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Why did Krudd seem to think everyone buying a plasma TV, would be better than building highways, hospitals or other vital infrastructure which are badly needed?
morno
Do you remember "Work Choices" and the "AWA" ?
I first became an employer in the Fraser era when sacking someone was as easy as - "Hey you! Pack up your stuff and f*ck off right now!"
And I was an employer in the Hawk/Keating era when sacking some was as easy as - "Look, I have given you a hundred and forty thousand warnings - all carefully documented in this book. I have spent more than a hundred thousand dollars on counselling for you and had you retrained fifty times. Please, please, pleeeease tell me how much I need to pay you to pack your stuff and f*ck off? Anything, just name your price"!
Yay Work Choices and AWAs!
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And so endeth the lesson on why AWAs were dropped from Lib policy.
For every reasonable and responsible employer there was one who did not give a brass razoo about workers or their families or how they spent the super guarantee money.
And it came to pass that political parties realised that there were more workers who had the vote than employers.
The ALP are not the same party as the they were in the 80s, they too are full of lawyers who pretend they are in touch with the people and who can call a tax a levy. Heaven help Australia if Abbott and Hockey get the reigns though.
For every reasonable and responsible employer there was one who did not give a brass razoo about workers or their families or how they spent the super guarantee money.
And it came to pass that political parties realised that there were more workers who had the vote than employers.
The ALP are not the same party as the they were in the 80s, they too are full of lawyers who pretend they are in touch with the people and who can call a tax a levy. Heaven help Australia if Abbott and Hockey get the reigns though.