Government "Bans noisy aircraft"
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Government "Bans noisy aircraft"
Honestly this seems a bit silly, the movements stated in the articles are pretty minimal really for 727s, and just how often do Antonovs operate there anyway?
In any case, it would be a shame to see the DHL 727 go, although I guess it has to happen eventually.
In any case, it would be a shame to see the DHL 727 go, although I guess it has to happen eventually.
You are forgetting that Mr Rudd spent tens of thousands of his own money, before elected PM, fighting the proposed parallel rumway at Brissie... he lives under the proposed finals 
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These guys being elected must be fraud..........because I can never find anyone willing to admit they did!
As for the noisy planes and resident complaints.....well if you get the whine of an A320, or worse when it has speed brakes deployed, and that gets your attention, why not have a proper and decent noise like the crackle of a B727
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As for the noisy planes and resident complaints.....well if you get the whine of an A320, or worse when it has speed brakes deployed, and that gets your attention, why not have a proper and decent noise like the crackle of a B727
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These guys being elected must be fraud..........because I can never find anyone willing to admit they did!
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So does this mean that CASA might actually catch up to the real world or do we still have to study the performance of an aircraft that is potentially banned flying into aussie airports!!!!!
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The Minister for aircraft noise at Sydney is the encumbant Minister for Transport, one Anthony Albanese, who's electorate and private home is adjacent.
If he had his way there would be no aircraft landing at Sydney.
Where does "the mad monk" live that would possibly put him in the frame for airport noise?
Is he in charge of illegal immigrants, spending of the future fund, insulation fraud, medical malfeasance, removing flu shots from the PBS, perpetuating a bloody global warming scam, a suck up to the idiot fringe Greens, and buying stupid Ned Kelly paintings for art galleries in a State that is broke?
You get the Government you deserve Arnold E
If he had his way there would be no aircraft landing at Sydney.
Where does "the mad monk" live that would possibly put him in the frame for airport noise?
Is he in charge of illegal immigrants, spending of the future fund, insulation fraud, medical malfeasance, removing flu shots from the PBS, perpetuating a bloody global warming scam, a suck up to the idiot fringe Greens, and buying stupid Ned Kelly paintings for art galleries in a State that is broke?
You get the Government you deserve Arnold E
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The problem with this decision on the Minister's part is that it is in direct conflict with the DOT policy of harmonisation with ICAO regs. All hush kitted
B727s comply with ICAO stage 3 and are therefore stage 3. You can't be a little bit pregnant and you can't be marginally compliant. You either are or aren't in both cases. Australia is either going to be fully ICAO compliant or we aren't. If we aren't then stop all this rubbish like compulsory English testing for Australian born pilot candidates.
As far as Australian B727s, we are talking about one aircraft VH-DHE which is the only current aircraft on the VH register.Theonly other aircraft on the CASA list is VH-TBS which has long passed on to the an apprentice school.I assume any others mentioned specificall out of BNE and CNS are on the RP register and can be dealt with by other means if they are a niose problem.
I notice in one article it mentions that SYD had a total of 396 movements through 2008/09 years. That seems to equate to roughly 4 movements/week. I suspect banning VH-DHE is not going to have much of an effect on the overall night SYD noise patterns.I live under the North rwy pattern and you can tell that its a B727 by the rumble but since its between at least 2 other late departures it certainly won't change my sleeping pattern.
I notice that the Minister's electorate web site makes out he's a real hero for banning the B727. He doesn't point out that its only 4 a week.So the
conclusion that I make is that its all about Ministerial spin.
I'm sure that the 2 or 3 FEs who are about to lose their jobs for no real benefit to the overall Australian community will understand it all and not feel agrieved.
Wunwing
B727s comply with ICAO stage 3 and are therefore stage 3. You can't be a little bit pregnant and you can't be marginally compliant. You either are or aren't in both cases. Australia is either going to be fully ICAO compliant or we aren't. If we aren't then stop all this rubbish like compulsory English testing for Australian born pilot candidates.
As far as Australian B727s, we are talking about one aircraft VH-DHE which is the only current aircraft on the VH register.Theonly other aircraft on the CASA list is VH-TBS which has long passed on to the an apprentice school.I assume any others mentioned specificall out of BNE and CNS are on the RP register and can be dealt with by other means if they are a niose problem.
I notice in one article it mentions that SYD had a total of 396 movements through 2008/09 years. That seems to equate to roughly 4 movements/week. I suspect banning VH-DHE is not going to have much of an effect on the overall night SYD noise patterns.I live under the North rwy pattern and you can tell that its a B727 by the rumble but since its between at least 2 other late departures it certainly won't change my sleeping pattern.
I notice that the Minister's electorate web site makes out he's a real hero for banning the B727. He doesn't point out that its only 4 a week.So the
conclusion that I make is that its all about Ministerial spin.
I'm sure that the 2 or 3 FEs who are about to lose their jobs for no real benefit to the overall Australian community will understand it all and not feel agrieved.
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Of course he will. Can't miss out on a photo opportunity can we?
From the Minister's web site. "The new regulations also make provision for marginally compliant aircraft to operate in an emergency and, in limited cases, where a flight is in the public interest".
Wunwing
From the Minister's web site. "The new regulations also make provision for marginally compliant aircraft to operate in an emergency and, in limited cases, where a flight is in the public interest".
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Marginal?
You would wonder how "marginally" is actually defined.
Are they now also going to take away the instrument ratings of pilots who marginally passed their last MECIR as well?
The consequence of the banning of noisy aircraft in this way would be a prelude to total chaos..! There would be no standard to measure (anything) against any more.
Total madness if you ask me....
Are they now also going to take away the instrument ratings of pilots who marginally passed their last MECIR as well?
The consequence of the banning of noisy aircraft in this way would be a prelude to total chaos..! There would be no standard to measure (anything) against any more.
Total madness if you ask me....
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I don't see why daytime flights should be a problem, it reeks of more knee jerk populist crap from Rudd and team. The whole problem with the AAE 727s in YBBN was that they flew in at one in the morning and out at 3am. Surely the occasional daytime 727 or AN124 can be accommodated, it's not like anyone's got a fleet of them.
Rudd's the same when it comes to Brisbane, although since coming to power RAAF1 has been a very regular sight at all hours of the night.
One rule for some as usual.
If he had his way there would be no aircraft landing at Sydney.
One rule for some as usual.
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The planes mainly transport mail and aid to the Pacific Islands and fly over Brisbane as late as 8.30pm.
Mr Albanese said the banned aircraft were more than 30 years old.
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Brisbane data for November 2009, compliments of Airservices Australia spokesman Matt Wardell
For Nov 09, complaints doubled.
Half of the noise complaints were made by 15 people.
There's the real reason.
On average in Brisbane, there was about 70 noise complaints a month from about 25 different people, with most complaints from the suburbs of Coorparoo, Camp Hill and Holland Park.
46 people made 164 complaints
...seven Coorparoo residents were responsible for 15 complaints, while five in Camp Hill lodged seven complaints.
In Holland Park, just three people were responsible for 62 complaints last month
In Holland Park, just three people were responsible for 62 complaints last month
Mr Albanese, whose seat of Grayndler abuts Sydney airport…
Mr Rudd, whose seat of Griffith is less than 10km from Brisbane airport…
Wayne Swan, whose electorate is badly affected by aircraft noise from Brisbane airport
Mr Rudd, whose seat of Griffith is less than 10km from Brisbane airport…
Wayne Swan, whose electorate is badly affected by aircraft noise from Brisbane airport
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I suspect this one is Sydneycentric.
The Minister used the reopening of the E/W runway to announce the ban so its reasonable to assume he's using this ban to deflect critiscism of the E/W runway which was originally going to be closed. The real facts are from the original news report, that B727s into SYD in recent times ie after AAE stopped using B727s, are about 4 /week. To make it worse since a B737 uplifts about 8 pallets and a B727 12 pallets if AAE and /or Toll shift 24 pallets/night ex PER then they now need 3 aircraft rather than 2. Additionally the data shows that a hushkitted B727 has a much reduced noise splay on approach than a B737.But we musn't let facts get in the way of a good political spin can we Mr Albanese?
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The Minister used the reopening of the E/W runway to announce the ban so its reasonable to assume he's using this ban to deflect critiscism of the E/W runway which was originally going to be closed. The real facts are from the original news report, that B727s into SYD in recent times ie after AAE stopped using B727s, are about 4 /week. To make it worse since a B737 uplifts about 8 pallets and a B727 12 pallets if AAE and /or Toll shift 24 pallets/night ex PER then they now need 3 aircraft rather than 2. Additionally the data shows that a hushkitted B727 has a much reduced noise splay on approach than a B737.But we musn't let facts get in the way of a good political spin can we Mr Albanese?
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IRT YBBN, the AAE 727s had been retired by November 2009 and Heavylift keep 9-5 Chaps Hours, so the complaints must have been in relation to other aircraft types. Therefore, this new governmental edict will make no difference to the complaints, unless they want to include 777s and A340s.
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For many years ages ago I did battle with a neighbor who had 3 noisy dogs barked ALL the time( Red Setters, dumbest dog around!). I did battle with the useless council (they all are!) & the probbaly deaf neaighbour for a loooong time. In the end the council said be prepared to go to court or put up with it or move, the latter was the best choice for me I suggest the same for the 'noise' makers themselves. Airports provide a service just like all other forms of transport. I'd bet not a single complaintee has not stepped inside a plane.Hypocritical they all are pure & simple & the Pollies are the worst in & out of office!
I can't wait 'till they shut down EN so I can sleep at night instead of heading out in the middle of the night to save the sick & dumb & trust me there's plenty of the latter that's for sure!
Did they look at making the B727 a twin sometime back with high By-Pass donks fairing out the ctr engine intake??
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I can't wait 'till they shut down EN so I can sleep at night instead of heading out in the middle of the night to save the sick & dumb & trust me there's plenty of the latter that's for sure!
Did they look at making the B727 a twin sometime back with high By-Pass donks fairing out the ctr engine intake??
Wmk2