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Wunwing,
We can make circular arguments all day. There are 4 ICAO standards and Europe and now Australia are in effect saying you need to be Chapter 3 compliant and whatever the bypass ratio is they want to apply. No country has to adopt ICAO standards and only ICAO standards for anything. Australia for instance publishes its differences from ICAO.
The rights or wrongs of this is what you are arguing.
This is the end of it for me. No use going round in circles. This would seem to affect only one aircraft at the moment and it is doomed for the reasons I put in a previous post. Logic along your lines has nothing to do with it.
We can make circular arguments all day. There are 4 ICAO standards and Europe and now Australia are in effect saying you need to be Chapter 3 compliant and whatever the bypass ratio is they want to apply. No country has to adopt ICAO standards and only ICAO standards for anything. Australia for instance publishes its differences from ICAO.
The rights or wrongs of this is what you are arguing.
This is the end of it for me. No use going round in circles. This would seem to affect only one aircraft at the moment and it is doomed for the reasons I put in a previous post. Logic along your lines has nothing to do with it.
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I know this is slightly deviating from the noise issue of this thread, but what about the ol Antanov An-12 that used to carry seafood out of Bris to Honiara ?? She wasn't noisy, but sure did leave a beautiful smoke contrail in the sky after departure. I remember a few times travelling to the airport for work and not even seeing the plane, but its 4 lines of brown vapour streaking across the sky gave it away that she was airborne !!!
Perhaps Ruddy got sick of the particles of grime landing on his place at Gordon Park ??
Perhaps Ruddy got sick of the particles of grime landing on his place at Gordon Park ??
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All the tuna got fished out and they went broke. Every time it departed there used to be a series of calls to Airservices, BAC, QPol and the like from concerned citizens about 'the plane on fire over my house!' The standard response used to be, is it grey with four engines? Don't worry about it
. The last AN-12 (there was a series of them) sat derelict at YBBN for a year or so gathering dust until BAC got the S
ts and evicted it, complete with flat tyres and resident mouse population.
The PAE stories are many, varied and defamatory
All the tuna got fished out and they went broke. Every time it departed there used to be a series of calls to Airservices, BAC, QPol and the like from concerned citizens about 'the plane on fire over my house!' The standard response used to be, is it grey with four engines? Don't worry about it
. The last AN-12 (there was a series of them) sat derelict at YBBN for a year or so gathering dust until BAC got the Sts and evicted it, complete with flat tyres and resident mouse population. The PAE stories are many, varied and defamatory
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Good ol days
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Agreed. I won't go down that path either.
I do recall however seeing the underfloor of one of their 727's during a c-check. Amazing the damage that a product like seafood can cause.I will leave it at that.
I also had an interesting 'personal experience' one evening in relation to that particular aircraft and all I will say is that it involved an angry Yugoslav tech crew,Smirnov and some unusual stains on the black and white spotted sheepskin seat covers !! Good ol days indeed.
I remeber BAC were sick of the fee's not being paid,you know how airports get when they are owed money !
I took a look at the old bucket as it sat on the tarmac one summer's day, the Antonov was sitting on it's lonesome,around 37 degrees,and there were two green frogs sitting on top of one of those flat tyres, in the middle of nowhere, very strange.
Another reliable source informed me that on occasion you could see rats scurrying back and forth to the aircraft as she sat,day and night ! Maybe the mice you mentioned grew ?
I have heard that around 10 of the An-12's are still in existence around the world today as freighters,owned by the same company and still flown by the Yugoslav's. Maybe someone can update me ? Some great memories !
The PAE stories are many, varied and defamatory 
I do recall however seeing the underfloor of one of their 727's during a c-check. Amazing the damage that a product like seafood can cause.I will leave it at that.
I also had an interesting 'personal experience' one evening in relation to that particular aircraft and all I will say is that it involved an angry Yugoslav tech crew,Smirnov and some unusual stains on the black and white spotted sheepskin seat covers !! Good ol days indeed.
The last AN-12 (there was a series of them) sat derelict at YBBN for a year or so gathering dust until BAC got the S
ts and evicted it, complete with flat tyres and resident mouse population.
ts and evicted it, complete with flat tyres and resident mouse population.
I took a look at the old bucket as it sat on the tarmac one summer's day, the Antonov was sitting on it's lonesome,around 37 degrees,and there were two green frogs sitting on top of one of those flat tyres, in the middle of nowhere, very strange.
Another reliable source informed me that on occasion you could see rats scurrying back and forth to the aircraft as she sat,day and night ! Maybe the mice you mentioned grew ?
I have heard that around 10 of the An-12's are still in existence around the world today as freighters,owned by the same company and still flown by the Yugoslav's. Maybe someone can update me ? Some great memories !
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I remeber BAC were sick of the fee's not being paid,you know how airports get when they are owed money !
) suggested that dragging it onto Airport Drive and sticking a 4 SALE $5000 ONO sign in the cockpit window was probably the best way to get any money...There was a story kicking around that one day it had parked at the ITB next to a kiwi pax flight and all the boarding kiwi pax were treated to a stunning view when the Antonov's (rather tubby and very hairy) PIC climbed out of his aircraft wearing nothing but jocks and soap on a rope, strolled over to the bay's emergency shower and started lathering up. Apparently the aerobridge glass was a sea of shocked faces
. I don't know where it went in the end, someone came and flew it away after a lot of maintenance work. Nobody thought it would make it over the fence, but they must have chased the rats out and found some new wheels. It had feral pigeons, too, and was pretty filthy when it was still flying, so I'd hate to think what it smelled like when the engineers got to it
. I thought there were still quite a few AN12s in Eastern Europe.
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Tanya Plibersek in Sydney seems to be getting off easy.
In regards to Brisbane, I live close to the Brisbane River, the aircraft turn for base , when on 01, is supposed to be around Brekky Creek. The prevailing breeze is usually a N/NE which means they will be pushed to the southern side of the River, Bulimba, Hawthorne,etc (over my place). Folklore has it that the designer of the Approach lived in Hamilton (Northern side) and made the turn a bit closer to push them away from his area.
Of course Albanese has made some grandstanding announcement to make his electorate feel better, it is an election year. Most people in his electorate wouldn't know that it won't make a skerrig of difference, no offence to them.
In regards to Brisbane, I live close to the Brisbane River, the aircraft turn for base , when on 01, is supposed to be around Brekky Creek. The prevailing breeze is usually a N/NE which means they will be pushed to the southern side of the River, Bulimba, Hawthorne,etc (over my place). Folklore has it that the designer of the Approach lived in Hamilton (Northern side) and made the turn a bit closer to push them away from his area.
Of course Albanese has made some grandstanding announcement to make his electorate feel better, it is an election year. Most people in his electorate wouldn't know that it won't make a skerrig of difference, no offence to them.
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"...A very nice reminder of the good days - F27`s, Viscounts, 727's and not forgetting the other 'ear buster' the DC9..."
those aint got nothing on the russians in terms of 'ear busting'. (or smoke!)
Belavia Tu154:
YouTube - Tupolev 154
did someone say smoke?:
YouTube - Start MIG-29
those aint got nothing on the russians in terms of 'ear busting'. (or smoke!)
Belavia Tu154:
YouTube - Tupolev 154
did someone say smoke?:
YouTube - Start MIG-29
