An interesting NOTAM?
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An interesting NOTAM?
AUSTRALIA GEN (YBBB/YMMM)
C14/10
EFFECTIVE 31 MARCH 2010 CASA WILL BEGIN ISSUING
ADMINISTRATIVE FINES TO THE REGISTERED OPERATORS OF
ANY AIRCRAFT EXCEEDING 250 KTS BELOW 10,000 FT WHEN
NOT AUTHORISED BY ATC.
INFRINGEMENTS SERVED UNDER REGULATION 296b
WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED FROM DATA DERIVED
FROM AN AIRCRAFT'S ADS-B SYSTEM WHEN THAT AIRCRAFT
EXCEEDS 250 KTS BELOW 10,000 FT IN ANY CLASS OF
AIRSPACE.
WHERE THE VIOLATION OCCURS IN CLASS C, D OR E
AIRSPACE, THE SYSTEM WILL CORRELATE DATS DERIVED FROM
THE AUSTRALIAN ADVANCED AIR TRAFFIC SYSTEM TO
DETERMINE IF ATC HAD CANCELLED THE SPEED RESTRICTION.
IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, AN INFRINGEMENT NOTICE WILL
NOT BE ISSUED.
WITHIN 28 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF AN INFRINGEMENT NOTICE,
THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE AIRCRAFT IS REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE CASA WITH THE NAME AND ARN OF THE PILOT IN
COMMAND OF THE AIRCRAFT AT THE TIME THE OFFENCE WAS
COMMITTED. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF
REGULATION 296E, FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT DEALING
WITH THE INFRINGEMENT NOTICE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT
NOTICE.
FROM 03 311300 TO PERM
C14/10
EFFECTIVE 31 MARCH 2010 CASA WILL BEGIN ISSUING
ADMINISTRATIVE FINES TO THE REGISTERED OPERATORS OF
ANY AIRCRAFT EXCEEDING 250 KTS BELOW 10,000 FT WHEN
NOT AUTHORISED BY ATC.
INFRINGEMENTS SERVED UNDER REGULATION 296b
WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED FROM DATA DERIVED
FROM AN AIRCRAFT'S ADS-B SYSTEM WHEN THAT AIRCRAFT
EXCEEDS 250 KTS BELOW 10,000 FT IN ANY CLASS OF
AIRSPACE.
WHERE THE VIOLATION OCCURS IN CLASS C, D OR E
AIRSPACE, THE SYSTEM WILL CORRELATE DATS DERIVED FROM
THE AUSTRALIAN ADVANCED AIR TRAFFIC SYSTEM TO
DETERMINE IF ATC HAD CANCELLED THE SPEED RESTRICTION.
IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, AN INFRINGEMENT NOTICE WILL
NOT BE ISSUED.
WITHIN 28 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF AN INFRINGEMENT NOTICE,
THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE AIRCRAFT IS REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE CASA WITH THE NAME AND ARN OF THE PILOT IN
COMMAND OF THE AIRCRAFT AT THE TIME THE OFFENCE WAS
COMMITTED. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF
REGULATION 296E, FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT DEALING
WITH THE INFRINGEMENT NOTICE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT
NOTICE.
FROM 03 311300 TO PERM
Last edited by Air Ace; 28th Mar 2010 at 01:32.
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This is a significant development. CASA is using technology developed for improving the safety and efficiency of air traffic and using it to initiate punitive measures.
Can you imagine the difficulty in combating a bogus fine? What if the 'air traffic system' has a burp and doesn't record the issuing of a speed waver. CASA records it as a breach, sends out a fine and is chasing you and your license. 28 days or so later you find out about it and what have you got recourse to for evidence? CVR tapes long gone, ATC tapes - possibly not available. It's just your voice against theirs saying "but I was issued with a speed waver - I swear...!"
Can you imagine the difficulty in combating a bogus fine? What if the 'air traffic system' has a burp and doesn't record the issuing of a speed waver. CASA records it as a breach, sends out a fine and is chasing you and your license. 28 days or so later you find out about it and what have you got recourse to for evidence? CVR tapes long gone, ATC tapes - possibly not available. It's just your voice against theirs saying "but I was issued with a speed waver - I swear...!"
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Who called me paranoid about "big brother" watching when the ADSB debate was in full swing. Mark this down as the first of many.
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Dear oh Dear 
One to you Air Ace .... but you are 4 days early
Got ya Frank check the date and time of effect 
, assuming of course you can convert UTC to Local 
One to you Air Ace .... but you are 4 days early
Got ya Frank
check the date and time of effect , assuming of course you can convert UTC to Local
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F.F.S you sooks. 
The real C14/10 is as follows:-
And when would 03 311300 UTC be ..... think about it 
The real C14/10 is as follows:-
C14/10 REVIEW C21/09
TRIGGER NOTAM - AIP SUP H28/05 AUSTRALIAN ORGANISED TRACK STRUCTURE
(AUSOTS) GUIDELINES
AVBL FM AVFAX CODE 81525 AND AIRSERVICES WEBSITE
WWW.AIRSERVICEAUSTRALIA.COM/PUBLICATIONS/AIP.ASP
FROM 03 100431 TO 06 300300 EST
TRIGGER NOTAM - AIP SUP H28/05 AUSTRALIAN ORGANISED TRACK STRUCTURE
(AUSOTS) GUIDELINES
AVBL FM AVFAX CODE 81525 AND AIRSERVICES WEBSITE
WWW.AIRSERVICEAUSTRALIA.COM/PUBLICATIONS/AIP.ASP
FROM 03 100431 TO 06 300300 EST
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So this thread is about a false and misleading statement in the form of a NOTAM? Why don't you try this on some of our airport "security" staff. They have a great sense of humour
You had me worried about my local flying. I'll probably get caught one day. But thanks for the "heads up" Chaser, I always thought with your caustic record you wouldn't bother.
EDIT to add; Grandkids just told me the penalty for April fools jokes before the day or after 12 noon, (no mention of GMT or whatever), is a Chinese burn "AND" a "corked" shoulder. Someone's in deep trouble!
Why don't you try this on some of our airport "security" staff. They have a great sense of humour You had me worried about my local flying. I'll probably get caught one day. But thanks for the "heads up" Chaser, I always thought with your caustic record you wouldn't bother.
EDIT to add; Grandkids just told me the penalty for April fools jokes before the day or after 12 noon, (no mention of GMT or whatever), is a Chinese burn "AND" a "corked" shoulder. Someone's in deep trouble!
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Considering the gumbiment continuously looks at finding new ways to generate revenue; like trying to fit GPS based speed detection devices to all newly manufactured cars, this would come as no surprise. Probably why so many people were quick to believe it.
Probably why so many people were quick to believe it.
I understand they are going to bring in a number of lower speed limits for aircraft in C above "pressure points" such as Hornsby - a bit like the lower speed limits in school zones.
I am told the proposed limit will be 145 knots.
The reason for the other decision is that one particular Airline has been flying below 10,000' at speeds up to 255- 258 knots giving them an unfair advantage over others who comply with the law.
I am told the proposed limit will be 145 knots.
The reason for the other decision is that one particular Airline has been flying below 10,000' at speeds up to 255- 258 knots giving them an unfair advantage over others who comply with the law.
Dick
With respect, but what a load of crap.
5-8 kts indicated from 30 miles is going to give you a whole 10-15 secs advantage by the time you configure.
As for 145 kts at Hornsby - well it wont be in 737's or other jets - might be alright for a slowtation - sorry citation...
With respect, but what a load of crap.
5-8 kts indicated from 30 miles is going to give you a whole 10-15 secs advantage by the time you configure.
As for 145 kts at Hornsby - well it wont be in 737's or other jets - might be alright for a slowtation - sorry citation...
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You had me worried about my local flying. I'll probably get caught one day. But thanks for the "heads up"
I can proudly say that I smashed the limit a couple of years ago in a single engine piston. 9,500ft on descent over Tulla into Moorabbin, SR22, 200 indicated, add for TAS and a massive tail wind giving 270 knots. Can't complain.