Turbo Prop Command versus Jet F/O?
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Turbo Prop Command versus Jet F/O?
Seeking the opionions of those wiser than I.... which would be considered more valuable with a goal of one day hopefully making it to the 'majors'?
Left seat in a 17/30/50 seat turbo prop?
or
Right seat in a 70/100 seat jet?
Left seat in a 17/30/50 seat turbo prop?
or
Right seat in a 70/100 seat jet?
Cathay Pacific will accept 1000 hours either jet time or command turbo-prop above 20,000 kg MAUW for a direct entry FO position. A 50 seat turbo-prop might just be around 20,000kg, so as far as they're concerned they're almost equivalent.
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You will not be competitive with ATR72( or similar) time at Cathay for DEFO position, you will need lots of jet time.
Many DESO have that and some have jet time.
The Turbo prop requirement is designed for ex Airforce and C130 time and this also means they have jet time from earlier training.
Many DESO have that and some have jet time.
The Turbo prop requirement is designed for ex Airforce and C130 time and this also means they have jet time from earlier training.
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If you've got the option of either - and you want to fly turbo-props, fly turbo-props. If you want to fly jets, fly jets. It's that simple.
I prefer flying jets myself, and personally there's not a whole lot I'd be doing in the left seat that I'm not already doing in the right - except getting paid more for it (not to mention that I'm already getting paid more in the right seat of a jet than as a turbo-prop skipper anyway). And if that sounds like a flippant remark, rest assured I'm well aware of, and have great respect for, the fact that good command skills are so much more than how well one flies an aeroplane - or what type of aeroplane it is. But then I'm also not a 22yr-old-Gen-Y type who's been with the company only 12 months and already bitching about why I haven't got a command yet. All things in good time...
I prefer flying jets myself, and personally there's not a whole lot I'd be doing in the left seat that I'm not already doing in the right - except getting paid more for it (not to mention that I'm already getting paid more in the right seat of a jet than as a turbo-prop skipper anyway). And if that sounds like a flippant remark, rest assured I'm well aware of, and have great respect for, the fact that good command skills are so much more than how well one flies an aeroplane - or what type of aeroplane it is. But then I'm also not a 22yr-old-Gen-Y type who's been with the company only 12 months and already bitching about why I haven't got a command yet. All things in good time...
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Most airlines have a requirement of (x) number of hours on type before you can get a command, some even specify 'on company aircraft', none that I know of ask for multi crew command time. So if jets are what you want to do long term, the sooner you start down that path the better!
And I haven't even mentioned seniority!
And I haven't even mentioned seniority!
Howard Hughes hits the nail on the head. Direct entry commands on jets are fairly rare unless you want to head to some foreign location. Even then you won't get DEC unless you already have jet command. And you won't get that at home unless you start RHS. So if jets are your ambition, every year in turboprops is time lost toward the ultimate goal.
But which is the more satisfying job? Probably turbo-prop command. But can you live on satisfaction alone, or does ambition drive you? Your call.
But which is the more satisfying job? Probably turbo-prop command. But can you live on satisfaction alone, or does ambition drive you? Your call.
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How about the one you actually want to take rather than the one you think is most valuable. I know getting to the Majors is your goal but people in this industry seem to forget the journey is the most fun part, do what you want and what makes you genuinely happy and I mean genuinely. You might not get to the majors for a number of reasons so make sure you get it right.
Have fun what ever that is.
Have fun what ever that is.
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Both are valuable!! Depends on your experience. Multi -engine Turbo prop Command time is valuable ( esp Brasilia, Dash 8, Saab 340, F50) up to a point.
If you already have alot of Command Multi time go straight to for the Jet.
If you already have alot of Command Multi time go straight to for the Jet.
Get some effo time on a turboprop, get into the jets, stay for a command and earn some $. Then you can afford to go back and fly a turboprop for fun and cash on the side to see you out until retirement. That's the ideal theory anyway.
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Command time in a Multi-crew aircraft (bigger the better) will probably have more value than jet F/O time. Any plonker can fly (and let's face it, jets are veeerrry easy to fly) but not every plonker can handle a command.
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TNB good question - but also the wrong one. Wildpilot has the right idea.
My multi-crew turboprop command time was the most rewarding and the most enjoyable. It also gave my confidence a boost as a bonus.
I feel that command experience is beneficial for a jet F/O to have. It makes you appreciate and understand the operation more clearly. Sometimes the role of a Captain is not obvious, especially if you haven’t been one before. The biggest difference is the responsibility, and how that affects decision making. It’s very sobering when something goes wrong and you’re in the left seat. No amount of ICUS or co-pilot time can substitute for that.
Enough drunken rambling. All I can say is that you won’t regret going for a turboprop command. It’s more rewarding than being a jet F/O, and more fun than a Jet command.
My multi-crew turboprop command time was the most rewarding and the most enjoyable. It also gave my confidence a boost as a bonus.
I feel that command experience is beneficial for a jet F/O to have. It makes you appreciate and understand the operation more clearly. Sometimes the role of a Captain is not obvious, especially if you haven’t been one before. The biggest difference is the responsibility, and how that affects decision making. It’s very sobering when something goes wrong and you’re in the left seat. No amount of ICUS or co-pilot time can substitute for that.
Enough drunken rambling. All I can say is that you won’t regret going for a turboprop command. It’s more rewarding than being a jet F/O, and more fun than a Jet command.
A good friend of mine went from years of Turboprop command at the regionals to F/O at the majors. After about 12 months he said to me "Krusty, if they'd have me back I'd return to my old job tomorrow." At the time he was earning approx the same amount as a Jet F/O as he was as a Captain on the Turboprop. Money wasn't the issue for him at that time, he actually always wanted to fly a jet, but untill DJ came along opportunities were limited. As he found out however, the grass is not always greener.
Sadly (for the regionals that is) most Turboprop Captains now moving from the LHS (turboprop) to the RHS of a jet will in fact see a significant pay rise! Something most regional airline management have failed to grasp, to their ultimate discredit.
Anyway after about 4 years, my friend moved to command on the Jet. He would still rather fly the regionals, but admits the "real" money he is now earning will allow him the means to properly look after his family, and at least retain some dignity in retirement!
At the end of the day, that's what it's all about.
Sadly (for the regionals that is) most Turboprop Captains now moving from the LHS (turboprop) to the RHS of a jet will in fact see a significant pay rise! Something most regional airline management have failed to grasp, to their ultimate discredit.
Anyway after about 4 years, my friend moved to command on the Jet. He would still rather fly the regionals, but admits the "real" money he is now earning will allow him the means to properly look after his family, and at least retain some dignity in retirement!
At the end of the day, that's what it's all about.
If you already have alot of Command Multi time go straight to for the Jet.
All the other people I know in DJ and JQ have significant turboprop experience.
I strongly suspect that for most of us mortals, the filtering applied to the database will always select the guys with the "biggest and best" experience first, meaning t/prop guys will always get in ahead of piston drivers.
....at least that's what I hope is going on.
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If I had my time again, I would stay in the turbo prop job I had.
Mint job, great people, easy rosters, good enough pay and lived in a great place.
But I got itchy feet with the "grass is always greener" thing.
Mint job, great people, easy rosters, good enough pay and lived in a great place.
But I got itchy feet with the "grass is always greener" thing.
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If you already have alot of Command Multi time go straight to for the Jet.
I have over 4500TT and 1500 ME IFR CHTR yet despite blue stars etc have never had a bait from DJ or JQ for an interview.
Like Horation said, Pistons to jet just doesn't happen in this country without a furry logbook.
Horatio_Leafblower.. A bit of duff gen you're offering up there.
I personally know of 6 guys that went to DJ straight off piston twins with the 1500PIC and 500Multi-PIC around 2004/2005. 3 Of which are now captains on the 737.
I personally know of 6 guys that went to DJ straight off piston twins with the 1500PIC and 500Multi-PIC around 2004/2005. 3 Of which are now captains on the 737.
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In the early days of DJ there were ex-piston drivers who were having their command delayed so they could reach the company requirment of 3000TT before command course.
All turned out to be excellent operators and were a pleasure to fly with.
It all about your number on the seniority list
All turned out to be excellent operators and were a pleasure to fly with.
It all about your number on the seniority list
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...doesn't match my observations, but I don't know everyone in the industry.
Yet
Snatch
I didn't say that and I think you're stretching things a bit there
Guys that's great to hear
...doesn't match my observations, but I don't know everyone in the industry.
Yet
Snatch
I didn't say that and I think you're stretching things a bit there