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Old 28th Feb 2010, 12:04
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Old 28th Feb 2010, 21:10
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If some here are of the opinion that some "Big" aeroplane pilots barge into the CCT via a SI, without consideration of others in the CCT, that sounds like a whole other issue. Ring their CP and complain.
What a great idea!! Hope things have changed a bit remember Impulse? They used to call downwind 14 miles out, sit on the runway ready to roll for FIVE!!!! minutes, push in anywhere they could. Rang the chief pilot to suggest maybe some of that stuff wasn't good airmanship, his response was to abuse me and say they were "Doing the right thing".

Talking of joining circuit, I was taught the end of the runway is where you join downwind, some call joining extended downwind, some call downwind 4 miles out. While were at it how far out is too far for downwind? I'd say anymore than one mile would be excess even in a big machine?
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Old 28th Feb 2010, 21:33
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I think the idea of calling a wide, extended, or whatever downwind is to provide more situational awareness about where you are, not to try and make yourself part of the circuit traffic. If you call "on a four mile downwind", you've decided that a position report is appropriate for some reason (due other traffic), you're advising that you're aligned with the downwind leg and you're about 4 miles out, you do this to give people useful information, not to try and assert yourself over someone joining via a 5 mile final or to get an aircraft on the ground to wait for you.
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Old 28th Feb 2010, 21:59
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I agree Areocat but what I'm getting at here is aircraft just calling downwind and being 4 miles out.
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Old 28th Feb 2010, 22:31
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>5,700kg

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For a multi crew commuter category aircraft and above a 15 mile call and established at 5nm is required.
Not so GG. CAO 82.3 refers to low-cap RPT operations. I'm guessing you boys with freight in the back aren't RPT. There are also a few other operators flying metro's under charter and not scheduled services.

In this case, does the 3nm and 1nm calls apply even though the aircraft is above 5,700?

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I agree Areocat but what I'm getting at here is aircraft just calling downwind and being 4 miles out.
In that case, I agree too.
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Old 1st Mar 2010, 00:32
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You were correct 777 in regards to a <5700 typical light aircraft with the established by 5 broadcast at 3nm and 1nm.
Yea thanks GG, but i actually was talking about the likes of the Dash8s and F50s etc and just quoted the wrong numbers accidentally.
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While were at it how far out is too far for downwind? I'd say anymore than one mile would be excess even in a big machine?
That's a bit tight for a 737. Give me a mile and a quarter, at least!
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Old 2nd Mar 2010, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Super Cecil
While were at it how far out is too far for downwind? I'd say anymore than one mile would be excess even in a big machine?
1.7 nm is comfortable in a 717. I reckon 1 nm would have the FOQA squealing, "bank angle, bank angle".
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Old 3rd Mar 2010, 01:22
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That's a bit tight for a 737. Give me a mile and a quarter, at least!
Maybe have to go a bit wider in a 380 too? Space shuttle as well do you think?
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IMHO 5 mile finals are great, providing you are not distracted with your final checks and join the GU Club (Guts Up).

Airline jockeys have always shown professionalism and good airmanship in my 35 plus yrs of commercial flying. As has the majority of other well TRAINED and well disciplined pilots.
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